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their thoughts on things suggesting

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guests and ideas and we had somebody uh

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content and uh just kind of becoming

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friends on Facebook and chatting and we

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encounter this new podcaster who is very

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well spoken thinks right very

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open-minded and sounds amazing behind

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the mic I mean he's a professional voice

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actor uh this guy seemed to be made for

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broadcasting and we thought you know

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what how could we give back you know

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what's a small thing we can do to say

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thank you for all the support we've had

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and we thought we're going to give him

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an opportunity to come on our show get

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some eyeballs on his new program we've

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never done this before he is just an

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intelligent guy who started off like us

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and we're going to invite him into our

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living room today to chat about uaps

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government all the usual uh but uh get a

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have a cool video that he made for us

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and voice narrated as well and that will

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be our intro for today's show so are you

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ready Jay I'm ready to do this let's do

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it all right we'll be right back with

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Marquis Williams on UAP studies podcast

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are we alone in the universe why are we

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here

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Galactic Federation of extraterrestrial

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civilizations does the government know

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if you're not asking these questions how

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can you come to definitive conclusions

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if you're not open to all things

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how can you truly know anything

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there may only be one way to God

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but there are many ways of understanding

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and the only way to wisdom and knowledge

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is exploration

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be inquisitive

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be curious be open-minded and start from

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a place of Truth and Love therein lies

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the truth of your very existence

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let's figure this out together

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are you paying attention

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all right welcome back to another

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episode of UAP studies podcast uh that

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cool little video intro is actually

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created by Our Guest today uh he created

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it for us and uh this is kind of our

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viewer appreciation episode so we're

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super excited to uh to promote that for

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him uh hi everyone I'm Louis Borges

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joining me as always my good friend and

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illustrious co-host Jason gilmap how you

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doing I'm having a fantastic morning so

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far I've been running a little bit

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you know we made it in time and I'm

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excited for this episode Louisa we're

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always on time we're usually early and

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been a minute late for our recording

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time so we're proud of that and uh so

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very special guest today um you know

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over the last two years we've got so

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much feedback people contact us on our

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Facebook page Twitter uh they go to our

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UAP studies podcast.com website and

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contact us there our YouTube channel and

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few of our affiliate programs to get him

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some exposure and either people are

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the new kid on the Block but uh either

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this sort of our way of giving back for

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all the people that contact us if if you

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right hell we may just call you one day

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super happy to have him we're gonna get

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to know him really well today so welcome

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to the show Marquis it is a pleasure to

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be here a great pleasure thanks

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everybody and this is the first time

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upcoming cast that's true so there was

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a sighting perfectly fitting after our

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wonderful yeah so tell us a little bit

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sales several years and I loved it you

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things like hey why don't you um I don't

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audiobooks because they liked how I

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all that behind the money making the

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chasingly behind and I took a voice

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acting and it was great

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voice they loved my delivery and it grew

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and grew and grew until it was like you

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phenomena but I was afraid to talk about

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crazy person and people already think

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I'm crazy so maybe it's not a great idea

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something I believe now it's something

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that's in the mainstream it's something

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that Congress is talking about Congress

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people congressmen and women were coming

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to talk about extraterrestrials I want

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to talk about all of it and I want to

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talk to people about it and so I took my

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said let's just add that to the flavor

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because again there's already people

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doing what you're doing interviewing

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these informed conversations you've been

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conversation with this dramatic effect

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did it I took the leap and added my

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flavor to it and here we are yeah and

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your show is uh dimensions of reality

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dramatizations uh similar to the intro

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uh of a pause and listen almost has like

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a meditation effect rather than getting

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living room you're kind of creating

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those little little junkets those Food

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gift uh it seemed like a very natural

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thing for you you know so so good on you

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for that thank you it's it's it is

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out of that deep thought and be normal

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philosophy and psychology in the human

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mind and how we think and why we think

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the way we do and explore the experience

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that we have here on this in this life

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deep they don't they're not very

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superficial a lot of times they they

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real deep recesses of their minds what

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they feel and think about the world and

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they're experiencing it themselves and I

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love that interaction so I wanted to be

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able to share that with people much

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broader like in a broader way and again

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really appreciate that you call it a

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gift and that it's appreciated because

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an impact my you know a personal touch

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to this to this entire thing

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um reach out to you like since you've

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sense of in the UAP world and uh you

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I actually I've seen some stuff or you

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know what I've experienced some stuff as

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well because once you start putting

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yourself out there I find that it's

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easier for people to like

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tell you that they're going through

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experiences have you had that happen in

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your life as well yes so one of my my

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one of my very first conversations is

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with a friend named Drew Dodson he's a

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very intelligent thinker himself he's a

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he's got a lot of

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um history on philosophy and I mean like

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poetry philosophy and all the thinkers

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of History we have we had some really

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good conversations at first and I was it

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was like I decided to talk about my

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personal experience I'm something I was

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afraid to talk about because I thought

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people would think I'm crazy and I had

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I've had a two abduction experiences

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myself

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um I don't like talking about it because

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I'm still afraid to have the

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conversation but I'm just doing it

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because you know what I'm not the only

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one there are some high profile people

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who had similar experiences and so it's

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okay for me I feel like it's okay to

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talk about it now yeah and I told them

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about it on my podcast and people have

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reached out to me and said Hey listen

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they appreciate that I took that leap

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you know to hear it from someone who's

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in the public view who's being being

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scrutinized

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um for the content they put out and

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they're still not afraid to have that

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conversation about their experience it

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makes them feel comfortable enough to

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have it with me too and to tell me these

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things right so yes they have and I

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think it means a lot to me because it

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means that I'm having a real impact on

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someone's life internally that's that's

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what I want to connect with people and

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now I can do it with so many more people

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um so it's it's yes and it's great I

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love it and I like your flavor of you

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know Consciousness connectivity the only

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way to understand what's going on is

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really to understand ourselves as a

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species and how we think and our flaws

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and everything else and we you know are

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exactly the same way in fact that's why

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you and I bonded because I'm like hey

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this guy thinks like this he's not out

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there putting people down he's just

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saying hey we all need a collective

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mindset here you know you don't get

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anything accomplished with fighting and

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I was thinking about this before the

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show and it's like you know imagine you

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have a union that's negotiating a

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contract for its employees how many

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times does the mediator have to like

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suspend the talk and kick everybody out

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because they're too heated up they're

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fighting and they know nothing is going

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to get accomplished so even that's just

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within us it seems you know even at a

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top level in a corporate world sometimes

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you know we need time and space to go

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away digest change our thoughts come

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back and say okay how about this and I

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think we're doing that every day and

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we're not going to get anywhere with the

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infighting you know we had Ross

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goldheart on the program we told them

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before the show hey Ross if you want to

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get something off your chest go go ahead

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and he went nuts on UFO Twitter and

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called them all out because he believes

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that so strongly too and uh and his

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perspective was hey I'm a journalist I'm

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not submitting work for peer review I

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don't owe you the full story and my data

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calculations he's like I'm not a

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scientist I'm a journalist and so so in

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that space I'm allowed to do and say

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what I want and we're allowed to be

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wrong and I I also have a right not to

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get my head ripped off for being wrong

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as a journalist so I think it's

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important to make a stance to what you

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stand for like you mentioned we do as

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well because people want to know where

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you stand and we're quick to polarize

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but that's also a problem in

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understanding disclosure and I think our

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brains will adapt just from trying to

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understand that these may not be

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extraterrestrial They Might Be

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interdimensional Right ultra-terrestrial

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Time Travelers it could be all kinds of

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potential theories and some of the

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greatest Minds like Jacques valet and

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Hal put off they have more of an

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open-minded hypothesis like we used to

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think this don't think that anymore now

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it could be multiple things right and

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you need to suspend judgment and open

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your mind in new ways and I think by all

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of us being Collective and sharing

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that's how we're going to get the new

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ideas not by you know making it scary

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for someone to come forward and you know

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Grand Cameron even said if we keep going

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like that these people aren't going to

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testify anymore because they're going to

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say screw it look at the UK they've had

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what five liters in three years or

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something like that nobody wants to do

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that job anymore how many how old are

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you going to get their head ripped off

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so it can become a dangerous thing not

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just with the UFO topic but as a people

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you know this cancel culture is really

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dangerous when we're trying to make

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progress on things

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I I I thought that that interview with

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Russ coldheart was refreshing because

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you know being new to invest you know

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actually investigating the phenomena and

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not just like having an interest in it

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um I came across some people on and I

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don't want to mention their names and

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specify I don't want to Target anybody

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but it came across some pretty high

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profile people that have been around for

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a long time and I saw you know them

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essentially attacking people that were

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new coming out about their experiences

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in like U.S the Air Force and navy

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Pilots that were coming out and talking

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about this this their their experience

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with engaging the phenomena engaging

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these these objects in ways that they're

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they just defy you know physics As We

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Know It And even conceivable thought

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they don't even get it like what's

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happening here and then there are and

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then I've seen these people attacking

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them and then attacking people that are

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that are in that are also investigating

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the phenomena

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from a pretty credible perspective and

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it felt like it's it's like there's

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Gatekeepers

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yeah you know like

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if the information doesn't come from me

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then you shouldn't trust it and here's

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why and that felt like it just felt so

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counterproductive and it didn't make any

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sense if you're if your goal is for

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disclosure well you're literally

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suppressing your own people from coming

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out in the first place to push for

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disclosure you're making people talk

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about not even wanting to come out

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anymore or just

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leaving the scene entirely and not even

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in publicly talking about the phenomena

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because you're scaring them away with

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this scrutiny and I I really thought

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that Ross called heart's perspective in

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that podcast was refreshing I mean he

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went off he was yeah he said what I feel

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I'm like what is wrong with you people I

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don't wanna I'm new so who am I to say

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to these people like stop it you need to

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stop you need to be respectful

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um you can't do that because I'm nobody

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but he said it and I felt like he was

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speaking what's in my heart too yeah so

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yeah man it's it's wild it's wild the

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world is is

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the whole idea of cancer culture is is

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odd because on the one hand there are

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some things that need to be you know

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there need they need to be checked but I

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think that people we can decide how to

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check that information you know we the

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world it's confusing when everything's

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obfuscated whenever the government

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doesn't give us Clarity on on things

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whenever politicians are causing

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division by their speech and and

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confusing the people with what they

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should believe in the first place and

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now the citizens have a hard time

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understanding the reality itself they're

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literally manipulating reality for all

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of us and if we don't decide not let

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them decide for us what to believe about

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our reality then we're going to always

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have these divisions we have to do this

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without the help of some governing body

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we need to do it within ourselves and

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with each other yeah so it's it's it's

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it's kind of messed up the government

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sort of reminds me of uh was it the

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South Park

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sheriff or the cop that's oh there's

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nothing to see here

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yeah exactly this whole brutal scene

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full of blood behind him he's like

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nothing to see here uh that's what it

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reminds me of but we still don't have a

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report from uh the second uh report from

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uh for congress right now like that's

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still being withheld That was supposed

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to be released back in October and uh

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we're going to mid-november we still

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don't have any information or any leads

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on what's going on there so it feels

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like we're almost going backwards like

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there's you know we made some progress

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and now they're starting to say oh no

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it's uh what was it Airborne garbage

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yeah or clutter yeah like just bags of

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garbage floating up in the air like what

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is this Avatar one thing is happening I

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mean Leslie Kane our good friend the New

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York Times Reporter who was involved

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with that atip disclosure article in

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2017. she even said hey I know there was

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an article that just came out in the New

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York Times that says a lot of

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contradictory stuff she's like I had

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nothing to do with it I didn't write it

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I don't even know the guy so she's

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distancing herself from the author of

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some of these recent articles

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something's going on either people are

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realizing hey this thing's got more more

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momentum than we wanted it to we need to

519
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kind of dial this back again and we're

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going back 70 years or it's that maybe

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disinformation to confuse it and kind of

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dilute down what's actually going on

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make it abstract again so people just

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say ah it's the same [\h__\h] for 50 you

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know for 50 or 60 or 70 years but

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something's definitely happening to the

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point that she's willing to socially

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come out and say I got nothing to do

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with it like she's worried about her

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reputation because people are going to

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say Leslie you work for the times you

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know so something is happening for sure

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in my opinion

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I agree I mean it's

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um the cat's out of the bag though I

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mean you can't you can't we can't go

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back now if they were to try to go back

538
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at this point they'd be making a really

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big mistake They're Gonna Hurt public

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trust because now there are people that

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are in the deal that are that were part

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of programs within the dod that are

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talking about they're investigating the

544
00:18:37,970 --> 00:18:36,660
phenomena now there are people like

545
00:18:39,710 --> 00:18:37,980
Christopher melon that are coming out

546
00:18:41,150 --> 00:18:39,720
and talking about the phenomena and

547
00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:41,160
about his perspective on the phenomena

548
00:18:44,810 --> 00:18:43,440
now you got people like Gary Nolan from

549
00:18:46,850 --> 00:18:44,820
Stanford University that are talking

550
00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:46,860
about his investigating his working with

551
00:18:50,750 --> 00:18:49,440
with the military I believe on the

552
00:18:52,850 --> 00:18:50,760
phenomena on the effects of the

553
00:18:55,430 --> 00:18:52,860
phenomenon biologically on on human

554
00:18:58,490 --> 00:18:55,440
biology it's not you can't you can't

555
00:18:59,750 --> 00:18:58,500
take that back his interview that

556
00:19:03,230 --> 00:18:59,760
documentary that was just released by

557
00:19:05,090 --> 00:19:03,240
Ross coldheart and um Bryce it it

558
00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:05,100
interviews you know

559
00:19:08,990 --> 00:19:07,440
um Gary Nolan and Gary Nolan said

560
00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:09,000
something that I will never forget it's

561
00:19:12,950 --> 00:19:11,160
just sins into my brain he said that

562
00:19:14,930 --> 00:19:12,960
when you're looking at the phenomena you

563
00:19:16,610 --> 00:19:14,940
need to think about it not from from the

564
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:16,620
perspective or from this on the spectrum

565
00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:20,160
of angels demons and God and it's not

566
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:21,600
that they're Angels demons and God he

567
00:19:24,770 --> 00:19:23,280
said he also said that that doesn't mean

568
00:19:27,289 --> 00:19:24,780
he believes that that's what they are

569
00:19:29,029 --> 00:19:27,299
but historically we see that phenomena

570
00:19:30,830 --> 00:19:29,039
we see you know we think of things from

571
00:19:33,289 --> 00:19:30,840
a religious perspective you know our

572
00:19:34,970 --> 00:19:33,299
humanity is thought about God forever

573
00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:34,980
all cultures have thought about a god of

574
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:36,960
some kind and they talk about a good and

575
00:19:40,490 --> 00:19:38,640
an evil and the Christian Bible they

576
00:19:42,890 --> 00:19:40,500
talk about the devil in God and Jesus

577
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:42,900
right so there is there is a phenomena

578
00:19:47,570 --> 00:19:45,600
that is interacting with Humanity that

579
00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:47,580
is similar to what we would consider

580
00:19:52,669 --> 00:19:50,700
culturally Angels demons and God right

581
00:19:54,650 --> 00:19:52,679
you can you can attach whatever you want

582
00:19:56,450 --> 00:19:54,660
to to that but the bottom line is it's

583
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:56,460
not just extraterrestrial this thing has

584
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:58,080
been and it's not just been here since

585
00:20:02,390 --> 00:20:00,720
1947. he's been here for thousands of

586
00:20:03,770 --> 00:20:02,400
years we've been interact it's been

587
00:20:07,010 --> 00:20:03,780
interacting with us for thousands of

588
00:20:09,650 --> 00:20:07,020
years and it's being talked about by by

589
00:20:11,570 --> 00:20:09,660
reputable people not just you know some

590
00:20:13,010 --> 00:20:11,580
guy in this basement somebody who said

591
00:20:15,650 --> 00:20:13,020
he saw a reptilian in his bedroom and

592
00:20:17,870 --> 00:20:15,660
had babies with them this is real this

593
00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:17,880
is this is big cats out of the back they

594
00:20:21,890 --> 00:20:19,440
can't go backwards it's too late now

595
00:20:24,409 --> 00:20:21,900
it's too late yeah well even when you

596
00:20:26,210 --> 00:20:24,419
have guys like uh and Louie you know the

597
00:20:29,390 --> 00:20:26,220
name of the the general that I'm talking

598
00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:29,400
about the israelian general that talked

599
00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:32,960
about this oh yeah oh that's High um

600
00:20:37,549 --> 00:20:35,520
he knows all the names yeah I got a bit

601
00:20:39,529 --> 00:20:37,559
of a photographic memory so I can read

602
00:20:41,870 --> 00:20:39,539
something 20 years ago and it'll just

603
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:41,880
stay here I'm sure there's important

604
00:20:46,669 --> 00:20:43,679
stuff that I don't remember because I

605
00:20:49,250 --> 00:20:46,679
have all this crap that I do but yeah if

606
00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:49,260
it's a name from 15 years ago or a week

607
00:20:52,490 --> 00:20:50,640
ago and you can't remember I probably

608
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:52,500
got it somewhere so we gotta go hit

609
00:20:56,450 --> 00:20:54,240
Jeopardy or something one of these days

610
00:20:57,710 --> 00:20:56,460
just see what was the one our last guest

611
00:20:59,690 --> 00:20:57,720
was talking about somebody who wrote a

612
00:21:02,570 --> 00:20:59,700
book about like the Sumerians and it was

613
00:21:04,970 --> 00:21:02,580
Zachariah sitchin right I think it was

614
00:21:06,890 --> 00:21:04,980
uh Chuck Zukowski we were talking to

615
00:21:08,150 --> 00:21:06,900
yeah yeah and that episode will be

616
00:21:09,409 --> 00:21:08,160
coming out in a couple weeks but he

617
00:21:11,330 --> 00:21:09,419
couldn't for the life of him remember

618
00:21:12,830 --> 00:21:11,340
the name of the guy and I started

619
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:12,840
thinking halfway and I was like oh yeah

620
00:21:17,690 --> 00:21:15,360
Zacharias Hitchin he's just good with

621
00:21:19,549 --> 00:21:17,700
names it's just uh the opposite of me I

622
00:21:21,529 --> 00:21:19,559
I run into people that I've known my

623
00:21:23,810 --> 00:21:21,539
entire life and if it's outside the

624
00:21:25,730 --> 00:21:23,820
setting that I normally see them in

625
00:21:27,470 --> 00:21:25,740
I can't remember their names for the

626
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:27,480
life of me like I know that I know them

627
00:21:36,169 --> 00:21:34,610
you threw me off you're shopping I

628
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:36,179
worked with a guy in sales that used to

629
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:38,159
say hi to absolutely everybody and he

630
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:39,600
was an older guy and I'm like man did

631
00:21:42,830 --> 00:21:41,039
you sell all these people or like are

632
00:21:44,750 --> 00:21:42,840
they your customers he's like I don't

633
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,760
know if they are or aren't my mind is so

634
00:21:48,049 --> 00:21:46,320
bad he's like I don't want to take a

635
00:21:49,789 --> 00:21:48,059
chance I walk by a guy I've been selling

636
00:21:51,230 --> 00:21:49,799
to for 20 years and I don't even

637
00:21:54,830 --> 00:21:51,240
recognize him so he couldn't remember

638
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:54,840
faces names he was good but face he

639
00:21:57,649 --> 00:21:56,400
wouldn't be able to connect it so he

640
00:21:59,450 --> 00:21:57,659
would make a point of saying hi to

641
00:22:00,770 --> 00:21:59,460
absolutely everyone so nobody got

642
00:22:04,190 --> 00:22:00,780
offended that he didn't know who the

643
00:22:06,049 --> 00:22:04,200
hell they were [\h__\h] ironically I I am

644
00:22:08,529 --> 00:22:06,059
for some reason I I'm not very good at

645
00:22:10,730 --> 00:22:08,539
remembering things like uh like in a

646
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,740
those casual experiences that you're

647
00:22:14,450 --> 00:22:12,480
talking you know somebody's name they

648
00:22:17,210 --> 00:22:14,460
mention it once and that to me is like

649
00:22:19,730 --> 00:22:17,220
it's too it's too impersonal however the

650
00:22:21,169 --> 00:22:19,740
personalities and how someone thinks

651
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:21,179
they're the energy that you get from

652
00:22:25,250 --> 00:22:22,799
just being around them I remember that

653
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,260
forever yeah when I when I that's kind

654
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:27,120
of how my mind works with with you know

655
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:29,039
remembering anything but it's also

656
00:22:32,450 --> 00:22:30,720
unfortunate because because I don't

657
00:22:34,130 --> 00:22:32,460
remember anybody I'm like I'm like you

658
00:22:35,570 --> 00:22:34,140
you know Jason I'm like you or I don't

659
00:22:39,770 --> 00:22:35,580
remember anybody's name he said it's

660
00:22:44,510 --> 00:22:42,770
do that to my wife when she's being a

661
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:44,520
little bit angry and I want to kind of

662
00:22:48,770 --> 00:22:46,080
dig back a little bit so I'll let her

663
00:22:52,430 --> 00:22:48,780
blow off all this Steam and I'll go it's

664
00:22:54,590 --> 00:22:52,440
Nicole right oh no first time wasn't

665
00:22:56,029 --> 00:22:54,600
cool now it doesn't work anymore now she

666
00:22:58,370 --> 00:22:56,039
just knows I'm being stupid she doesn't

667
00:22:59,810 --> 00:22:58,380
even care she keeps going you're lucky

668
00:23:01,789 --> 00:22:59,820
to have that photograph memory because I

669
00:23:05,450 --> 00:23:01,799
don't have it I do not have that not at

670
00:23:07,490 --> 00:23:05,460
all like it's the same like I'll read a

671
00:23:09,770 --> 00:23:07,500
book I'll remember the uh the book I

672
00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:09,780
remember what happens in it can't

673
00:23:13,490 --> 00:23:11,400
remember the names of the characters to

674
00:23:15,289 --> 00:23:13,500
save my life you know it's the same

675
00:23:16,909 --> 00:23:15,299
thing in life like I remember the events

676
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:16,919
that took place I remembered you know

677
00:23:21,289 --> 00:23:18,720
the like you mentioned like the feeling

678
00:23:23,570 --> 00:23:21,299
The Vibes you get that from people uh

679
00:23:24,830 --> 00:23:23,580
but you don't for whatever reason they

680
00:23:26,750 --> 00:23:24,840
could say their names three times and

681
00:23:28,930 --> 00:23:26,760
it's like oh right

682
00:23:33,890 --> 00:23:31,070
yeah I'm gonna put you into somebody

683
00:23:35,870 --> 00:23:33,900
there's a guy named Paul Sheely

684
00:23:38,090 --> 00:23:35,880
um and uh

685
00:23:39,409 --> 00:23:38,100
Peter Bissonnet Bissonnet I'm not trying

686
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:39,419
to pronounce it I think it's this and

687
00:23:43,310 --> 00:23:41,760
that is how you pronounce it they Peter

688
00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:43,320
Bissonnet was the one who created the

689
00:23:47,870 --> 00:23:44,700
Mind mapping

690
00:23:49,810 --> 00:23:47,880
um technique okay and and um that's like

691
00:23:53,570 --> 00:23:49,820
Furniture in your house right

692
00:23:56,750 --> 00:23:53,580
that's that is um that's called oh my

693
00:23:58,970 --> 00:23:56,760
gosh that's called the mental mental

694
00:24:01,610 --> 00:23:58,980
Palace I believe it's where you attach

695
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:01,620
memories and and information to objects

696
00:24:06,289 --> 00:24:03,600
in your house yeah this is more along

697
00:24:08,270 --> 00:24:06,299
the lines of how your brain thinks I

698
00:24:10,370 --> 00:24:08,280
guess you can say fractally so or

699
00:24:12,049 --> 00:24:10,380
branches out like a tree and it's more

700
00:24:14,090 --> 00:24:12,059
colorful it's more it's it's more

701
00:24:16,250 --> 00:24:14,100
emotional and you have to when you write

702
00:24:17,690 --> 00:24:16,260
about something it shouldn't just be a

703
00:24:19,610 --> 00:24:17,700
linear thing it should be more it should

704
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:19,620
be more engaging to your brain because

705
00:24:22,970 --> 00:24:21,120
your brain doesn't just think in words

706
00:24:25,070 --> 00:24:22,980
it thinks in colors things and smells

707
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:25,080
things and feelings so when you're when

708
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,120
you're trying to learn something you can

709
00:24:31,010 --> 00:24:29,039
use the Mind mapping technique to try to

710
00:24:32,510 --> 00:24:31,020
engage more of your brain which helps

711
00:24:35,090 --> 00:24:32,520
you it helps you to remember better

712
00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:35,100
however again it's it's I'm still not

713
00:24:41,570 --> 00:24:37,260
the best at remembering the Casual

714
00:24:42,110 --> 00:24:41,580
things and with um with uh Peter or with

715
00:24:45,710 --> 00:24:42,120
um

716
00:24:48,830 --> 00:24:45,720
I'm so sorry uh with the uh what's his

717
00:24:51,529 --> 00:24:48,840
name again oh my gosh yeah he missing

718
00:24:53,270 --> 00:24:51,539
that he has he he has um he's developed

719
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,280
that technique and and it works really

720
00:24:56,750 --> 00:24:54,960
well when it comes to learning something

721
00:24:58,610 --> 00:24:56,760
not necessarily just memory but

722
00:24:59,870 --> 00:24:58,620
understanding the stuff that you got you

723
00:25:01,970 --> 00:24:59,880
got to check him out you gotta check him

724
00:25:04,730 --> 00:25:01,980
out if you guys I have some interesting

725
00:25:06,169 --> 00:25:04,740
stuff so before we uh before as I

726
00:25:07,730 --> 00:25:06,179
mentioned we were gonna you know get you

727
00:25:09,890 --> 00:25:07,740
some exposure on some other programs and

728
00:25:11,149 --> 00:25:09,900
I said I didn't know how you thought or

729
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:11,159
what your thoughts were on things so I

730
00:25:14,690 --> 00:25:12,720
said you know what put together a list

731
00:25:16,430 --> 00:25:14,700
of things if if we do get you a spot on

732
00:25:18,289 --> 00:25:16,440
a show what would you want to talk about

733
00:25:20,450 --> 00:25:18,299
what would you want to ask you know as a

734
00:25:22,250 --> 00:25:20,460
brand new guy observing now you're in

735
00:25:25,070 --> 00:25:22,260
this field you know what would your

736
00:25:27,230 --> 00:25:25,080
questions be so uh I think you know you

737
00:25:28,490 --> 00:25:27,240
probably still got them somewhere I got

738
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:28,500
them we'll turn the tables a little bit

739
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:30,240
we'll let you be the host of The Show

740
00:25:34,370 --> 00:25:32,880
for uh we're giving you the mic and uh

741
00:25:36,289 --> 00:25:34,380
you go go through what do you want to

742
00:25:38,210 --> 00:25:36,299
chat about well

743
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,220
um let's do this so so my question was

744
00:25:41,930 --> 00:25:40,559
because I I saw your content and I saw

745
00:25:44,930 --> 00:25:41,940
all the people you were talking to and I

746
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,940
thought what in where how this these

747
00:25:48,830 --> 00:25:46,559
guys are the real deal and you know to

748
00:25:50,029 --> 00:25:48,840
me it's inspiring and I respect it I

749
00:25:51,950 --> 00:25:50,039
admire it

750
00:25:54,529 --> 00:25:51,960
um so I was curious as to why like what

751
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:54,539
started the podcast what got you guys to

752
00:25:58,610 --> 00:25:56,880
want to make this leap as well I'll let

753
00:26:00,649 --> 00:25:58,620
Jason take that one since he did start

754
00:26:03,409 --> 00:26:00,659
this podcast this was his baby I just

755
00:26:07,370 --> 00:26:03,419
jumped on earlier this year the uh well

756
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:07,380
the onset 2017 was a big big year for

757
00:26:13,490 --> 00:26:09,840
you know everybody I think and sort of

758
00:26:16,909 --> 00:26:13,500
pushed uh us to I think most of us to

759
00:26:18,649 --> 00:26:16,919
try to jump up and be active and say I

760
00:26:19,730 --> 00:26:18,659
knew it I knew that this was true I knew

761
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:19,740
that you know I've been telling

762
00:26:22,850 --> 00:26:21,840
everybody all along and and all of a

763
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,860
sudden there was some sort of

764
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:25,200
vindication for everybody and then by

765
00:26:30,409 --> 00:26:27,360
the time the pandemic hit

766
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:30,419
I I wanted to investigate more like

767
00:26:35,090 --> 00:26:33,360
everybody else and I thought what a

768
00:26:36,890 --> 00:26:35,100
better way to learn

769
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:36,900
than from asking the people that are

770
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:39,360
actually doing the job right so I

771
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:41,279
started off slow and like I was

772
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,720
mentioning to Louie you know at first

773
00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:44,400
everybody that was coming on the show

774
00:26:49,610 --> 00:26:46,500
was just giving me a huge break because

775
00:26:51,470 --> 00:26:49,620
I was a nobody right at the time and I

776
00:26:53,149 --> 00:26:51,480
didn't really know what I needed in the

777
00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:53,159
podcast

778
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,500
um but I I knew that asking these people

779
00:27:01,370 --> 00:26:58,080
the questions like how do I handle a

780
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:01,380
cattle mutilation or if I arrive at a

781
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:03,679
crop circle what what are the procedures

782
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:07,760
so that was really my you know initial

783
00:27:13,850 --> 00:27:11,640
push into the podcast and I was almost

784
00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:13,860
on the verge of quitting until Louie

785
00:27:18,769 --> 00:27:16,380
jumped on because I had found it to be a

786
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,779
bit too much I'm like how far do I want

787
00:27:22,430 --> 00:27:20,880
to take this uh and then by the time

788
00:27:24,350 --> 00:27:22,440
that Louis jumped on

789
00:27:25,789 --> 00:27:24,360
um the podcast really took into a

790
00:27:28,130 --> 00:27:25,799
different direction and Louis I'll let

791
00:27:30,289 --> 00:27:28,140
you take over from here and talk about

792
00:27:32,029 --> 00:27:30,299
your experience yeah well I was I think

793
00:27:33,470 --> 00:27:32,039
just the guest on the show first right

794
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:33,480
you and I were friends outside of the

795
00:27:36,830 --> 00:27:35,520
show and had similar interests and

796
00:27:38,450 --> 00:27:36,840
thought patterns and you said hey man

797
00:27:39,710 --> 00:27:38,460
you know a lot about this stuff and you

798
00:27:41,450 --> 00:27:39,720
know some names I never even heard of

799
00:27:43,610 --> 00:27:41,460
why don't you come on the show and then

800
00:27:46,610 --> 00:27:43,620
we had a blast and you said do you want

801
00:27:48,649 --> 00:27:46,620
to co-host the show with me and uh yeah

802
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:48,659
I wanted to I wanted to respect it

803
00:27:51,890 --> 00:27:50,400
because I know that's your baby your

804
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:51,900
hard work you know you went through the

805
00:27:55,610 --> 00:27:54,240
times of not having any guests and then

806
00:27:57,769 --> 00:27:55,620
how do you get guests we've never had

807
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:57,779
guests and who wants to go on your show

808
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,279
and if they're crazy or they're going to

809
00:28:03,649 --> 00:28:01,200
ruin your reputation yeah like you

810
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,659
weathered that storm so I really had a

811
00:28:07,490 --> 00:28:05,760
lot of respect like I had the mentality

812
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:07,500
of I'd rather leave the show than hurt

813
00:28:11,930 --> 00:28:09,840
the show so I really gave it that effort

814
00:28:13,549 --> 00:28:11,940
to um you know spread it to multiple

815
00:28:16,669 --> 00:28:13,559
platforms initially it was just on

816
00:28:19,010 --> 00:28:16,679
Spotify Apple was difficult but we're

817
00:28:20,690 --> 00:28:19,020
now on Apple we're on YouTube We're on

818
00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:20,700
Spotify you know we were on iHeartRadio

819
00:28:25,310 --> 00:28:23,220
we used to simulcast to like 15 or 20

820
00:28:26,990 --> 00:28:25,320
different podcasts but then it just kind

821
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:27,000
of waters down all your search results

822
00:28:30,830 --> 00:28:28,799
like you're a little bit in a million

823
00:28:33,649 --> 00:28:30,840
places so now we're on Apple podcast

824
00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:33,659
Spotify and YouTube so we have a lot of

825
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:35,700
dedicated Spotify listeners been with

826
00:28:38,690 --> 00:28:37,500
the show since the beginning if you

827
00:28:40,909 --> 00:28:38,700
haven't checked out our YouTube Channel

828
00:28:43,010 --> 00:28:40,919
please do it basically you go anywhere

829
00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:43,020
and search UAP studies podcast whether

830
00:28:48,169 --> 00:28:46,260
it's YouTube Google Facebook you know

831
00:28:50,210 --> 00:28:48,179
Twitter you're going to find us and

832
00:28:51,409 --> 00:28:50,220
you're going to find our program so

833
00:28:54,169 --> 00:28:51,419
um yeah that's what I brought to the

834
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:54,179
show uh I've done some broadcasting and

835
00:28:58,669 --> 00:28:56,159
radio type stuff television based things

836
00:29:01,010 --> 00:28:58,679
back in the day so I enjoy it it's a

837
00:29:03,049 --> 00:29:01,020
topic I like I get to chat with my best

838
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:03,059
buddy on Sundays sometimes we do a

839
00:29:06,830 --> 00:29:05,039
couple recordings it's a hell of a lot

840
00:29:08,390 --> 00:29:06,840
of work um you know if it wasn't for the

841
00:29:10,610 --> 00:29:08,400
two of us doing it neither one of us

842
00:29:13,490 --> 00:29:10,620
would be doing it so it is more

843
00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:13,500
challenging as a single person but again

844
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:15,720
too you can Fast Track by not making the

845
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,480
mistakes others have made you know my

846
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,399
advice is always stay somewhat neutral

847
00:29:24,649 --> 00:29:22,559
because you don't know don't have an

848
00:29:26,510 --> 00:29:24,659
episode from three years ago where

849
00:29:27,950 --> 00:29:26,520
you're like it's definitely this because

850
00:29:30,529 --> 00:29:27,960
somebody will throw that in your face

851
00:29:32,330 --> 00:29:30,539
one day down the road so be humble to

852
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:32,340
the fact that we have no clue we think

853
00:29:37,130 --> 00:29:34,799
we know we're all just couch you if you

854
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:37,140
follow just you know like even guys like

855
00:29:41,570 --> 00:29:39,840
Avi Loeb and and big scientists they

856
00:29:43,010 --> 00:29:41,580
have all these faculties and all these

857
00:29:44,690 --> 00:29:43,020
years of schooling and degrees and

858
00:29:46,370 --> 00:29:44,700
everything else and the more they go

859
00:29:47,810 --> 00:29:46,380
down the rabbit hole the more they're

860
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:47,820
like I don't know I thought we're

861
00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:50,159
getting somewhere I have no idea now so

862
00:29:54,529 --> 00:29:52,500
it's a phenomenon that is not Stranger

863
00:29:57,049 --> 00:29:54,539
than you think but Stranger than you can

864
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:57,059
think so always have a humble respect

865
00:30:00,769 --> 00:29:59,279
for the topics and I think the rest will

866
00:30:02,570 --> 00:30:00,779
sort itself out

867
00:30:04,190 --> 00:30:02,580
I love that saying by the way that's it

868
00:30:06,889 --> 00:30:04,200
I feel like putting that somewhere in my

869
00:30:08,930 --> 00:30:06,899
in my office don't give me credit that's

870
00:30:09,850 --> 00:30:08,940
Dr Wayne Dyer from the power of

871
00:30:12,590 --> 00:30:09,860
intention

872
00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:12,600
describing Divinity or what that might

873
00:30:16,430 --> 00:30:14,340
possibly look like and he said you know

874
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,440
it's not Stranger Than You Think it's

875
00:30:21,049 --> 00:30:18,480
Stranger Than You Can Think meaning it's

876
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:21,059
above your pay grid so have to have some

877
00:30:23,710 --> 00:30:22,799
humility towards that

878
00:30:26,090 --> 00:30:23,720
yeah

879
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:26,100
sorry go ahead I was going to say this

880
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:28,799
phenomenon fits that mold exactly though

881
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,720
that saying fits into this phenomenon

882
00:30:34,190 --> 00:30:32,640
for sure

883
00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:34,200
I don't remember who said it who was

884
00:30:37,250 --> 00:30:35,640
talking to Jacques Valley I wish I could

885
00:30:38,690 --> 00:30:37,260
remember his name but he said it's

886
00:30:40,510 --> 00:30:38,700
frustrating talking to jock the light

887
00:30:43,250 --> 00:30:40,520
because he will always question

888
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:43,260
everything that you bring to him because

889
00:30:46,669 --> 00:30:44,640
even if you under if you think you

890
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,679
understand something he finds a way to

891
00:30:49,789 --> 00:30:48,240
make you look even deeper into it which

892
00:30:51,470 --> 00:30:49,799
changes the entire Paradigm of the thing

893
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:51,480
you're looking at yeah and I feel like

894
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:53,039
every time I looked into the Phenom I'm

895
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,720
literally reorganizing my belief about

896
00:30:58,250 --> 00:30:56,880
it every single week because there's

897
00:30:59,930 --> 00:30:58,260
just something new that I'm learning I'm

898
00:31:01,130 --> 00:30:59,940
like oh my God I don't even I can't even

899
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:01,140
think that anymore because now there's

900
00:31:05,510 --> 00:31:03,840
something new that really just expands

901
00:31:08,269 --> 00:31:05,520
the Paradigm that I have about this

902
00:31:10,010 --> 00:31:08,279
phenomenon and it's a high strangeness

903
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,020
there's things that are so weird about

904
00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:12,240
it that you can't put your finger on it

905
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:14,820
so yeah I I can tell I can tell it's

906
00:31:19,010 --> 00:31:17,279
it's hard to kind of

907
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:19,020
to clarify

908
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:21,120
so my next question you actually

909
00:31:25,549 --> 00:31:22,799
answered that within those two ends

910
00:31:27,409 --> 00:31:25,559
within this within that um when you off

911
00:31:28,909 --> 00:31:27,419
your game already you did you did you

912
00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:28,919
got me on that one because it was

913
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:31,080
already answered so the third question I

914
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:34,080
have is you know about the about the uip

915
00:31:37,310 --> 00:31:35,760
UAP report

916
00:31:38,450 --> 00:31:37,320
um the one the first one that we got the

917
00:31:39,950 --> 00:31:38,460
one that we got that was so

918
00:31:41,810 --> 00:31:39,960
disappointing and so disheartening that

919
00:31:44,409 --> 00:31:41,820
people were like on Twitter and Facebook

920
00:31:46,850 --> 00:31:44,419
and social media like what was that yeah

921
00:31:49,789 --> 00:31:46,860
why do you think they only they only

922
00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:49,799
went to like 2004 talking about the

923
00:31:53,930 --> 00:31:51,720
Nimitz encounter I believe it was or was

924
00:31:55,310 --> 00:31:53,940
it the gimbal or I believe um I think it

925
00:31:57,409 --> 00:31:55,320
was anemic owner but they only talked

926
00:31:59,330 --> 00:31:57,419
about that from 2004 on they won't talk

927
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,340
about anything that happened all the way

928
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,679
by like Legacy programs back in 1947

929
00:32:04,370 --> 00:32:03,600
Roswell crash they won't investigate any

930
00:32:06,830 --> 00:32:04,380
of that they won't look at the

931
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:06,840
documentation of you know the um the

932
00:32:10,730 --> 00:32:08,880
Mountain Air Force Base they won't look

933
00:32:12,590 --> 00:32:10,740
at how these these things have been

934
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,600
interacting with the US military for

935
00:32:15,529 --> 00:32:14,399
decades they're only looking at things

936
00:32:18,049 --> 00:32:15,539
that have happened in more recent

937
00:32:21,529 --> 00:32:18,059
history why do you think that is that's

938
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:21,539
the only time that their disclosure goes

939
00:32:24,889 --> 00:32:23,039
back to so yeah they acknowledge

940
00:32:27,230 --> 00:32:24,899
something happened in 2004 on the Nimitz

941
00:32:28,909 --> 00:32:27,240
it came out in 17 but if they say

942
00:32:30,590 --> 00:32:28,919
anything about previous events they're

943
00:32:31,970 --> 00:32:30,600
acknowledging they knew about it and for

944
00:32:33,950 --> 00:32:31,980
seven years they've been saying we don't

945
00:32:35,450 --> 00:32:33,960
have a clue like nothing happened go

946
00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:35,460
about your daily you know day-to-day

947
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:38,460
life don't ask us we don't know so why

948
00:32:41,090 --> 00:32:39,600
would they shoot themselves in the head

949
00:32:43,549 --> 00:32:41,100
if they don't have to so they've only

950
00:32:45,169 --> 00:32:43,559
gone back to the report from like you

951
00:32:47,210 --> 00:32:45,179
know okay we went on the record of

952
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:47,220
saying this happened when was that 04

953
00:32:51,289 --> 00:32:48,720
okay that must be the beginning of this

954
00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:51,299
phenomenon 0-4 so my opinion is that

955
00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:52,740
they don't want to bring up knowledge of

956
00:32:56,510 --> 00:32:54,360
anything prior to that because they've

957
00:32:59,090 --> 00:32:56,520
been denying it and it didn't happen

958
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:59,100
remember so how can you then give data

959
00:33:03,049 --> 00:33:00,720
on it if it never happened

960
00:33:04,610 --> 00:33:03,059
I can that is a very good answer because

961
00:33:06,529 --> 00:33:04,620
honestly I've been confused as to what's

962
00:33:08,269 --> 00:33:06,539
going on with this I've been frustrated

963
00:33:10,970 --> 00:33:08,279
frankly just like everybody else is what

964
00:33:12,409 --> 00:33:10,980
do you think Jake no I think you uh you

965
00:33:14,330 --> 00:33:12,419
nailed it right on the head

966
00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:14,340
um that's exactly what took place is

967
00:33:17,870 --> 00:33:15,960
that they don't want to go back

968
00:33:20,090 --> 00:33:17,880
throughout history and saying all that

969
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:20,100
these events that they've been trying to

970
00:33:24,649 --> 00:33:22,799
bury for you know 75 years is all of a

971
00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:24,659
sudden going back well no let's go back

972
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,940
to Roswell and take a look at like it's

973
00:33:31,070 --> 00:33:29,039
it's and it's already been studied uh

974
00:33:33,529 --> 00:33:31,080
you know and interviewed and all that

975
00:33:36,350 --> 00:33:33,539
like satin Friedman did a great study on

976
00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:36,360
it and a bunch of other people uh so we

977
00:33:39,649 --> 00:33:37,860
know that it happened

978
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:39,659
um you know I often think that the

979
00:33:42,889 --> 00:33:41,279
United States is horrible at keeping

980
00:33:44,450 --> 00:33:42,899
secrets because we know of all these

981
00:33:46,370 --> 00:33:44,460
incidences that have taken place in the

982
00:33:48,830 --> 00:33:46,380
United States right and it's like

983
00:33:51,649 --> 00:33:48,840
nothing to see here move along it's like

984
00:33:55,370 --> 00:33:51,659
again I keep thinking of that uh cop

985
00:33:57,950 --> 00:33:55,380
from uh uh the TV show their um South

986
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:57,960
Park South Park Jesus I'm having a hard

987
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:00,960
time even with uh names from TV shows

988
00:34:05,870 --> 00:34:04,080
now but uh it's that's the reality of it

989
00:34:08,270 --> 00:34:05,880
it's just that they've you know denied

990
00:34:10,129 --> 00:34:08,280
it for so long and then to come back and

991
00:34:13,010 --> 00:34:10,139
say actually these events have actually

992
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:13,020
took place 2004 seems solid because it's

993
00:34:16,849 --> 00:34:14,879
like you know that's when all this stuff

994
00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:16,859
started taking place in the Atlantic

995
00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:20,280
Ocean was it or Pacific island yeah

996
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:22,200
there was one on the east coast as well

997
00:34:26,990 --> 00:34:24,960
I think that was the Flying triangle

998
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:27,000
yeah I'm not aware of that muscle or

999
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:28,560
something I believe it wasn't there was

1000
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,480
an East Coast sighting along with the

1001
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:32,159
Tic Tac and the Gimbal and the go fast

1002
00:34:35,810 --> 00:34:33,839
well it's definitely on both sides of

1003
00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:35,820
the oceans for sure because yeah they

1004
00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:37,740
keep having incidences like that right

1005
00:34:42,290 --> 00:34:40,200
uh the Nimitz that was here in the

1006
00:34:44,270 --> 00:34:42,300
Pacific right uh Louis okay

1007
00:34:45,889 --> 00:34:44,280
okay for some reason I thought it was in

1008
00:34:47,329 --> 00:34:45,899
the Atlantic for some reason no I was

1009
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:47,339
just off Catalina Island that's why

1010
00:34:51,290 --> 00:34:49,200
Caroline Corey when she made a tear in

1011
00:34:53,389 --> 00:34:51,300
the sky they went right there and tried

1012
00:34:55,970 --> 00:34:53,399
to triangulate three different Vantage

1013
00:34:58,070 --> 00:34:55,980
points and they caught reigning Tic Tacs

1014
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:58,080
two days in they caught it the first day

1015
00:35:01,849 --> 00:35:00,000
but their equipment wasn't turned on it

1016
00:35:03,890 --> 00:35:01,859
was doing weird stuff to their gears so

1017
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:03,900
I think it's a lot more prolific than we

1018
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,000
think if you can take high-tech Gear

1019
00:35:10,010 --> 00:35:08,400
start filming and catch these things you

1020
00:35:11,870 --> 00:35:10,020
don't have to get lucky right it's

1021
00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:11,880
happening all the time repeatable

1022
00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:13,380
occurrences that you should actually

1023
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:15,000
measure scientifically right yeah

1024
00:35:18,890 --> 00:35:17,040
absolutely

1025
00:35:20,930 --> 00:35:18,900
well Pilots are saying that it's

1026
00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:20,940
happening much more frequently or that

1027
00:35:24,290 --> 00:35:22,440
at least we're maybe it's the technology

1028
00:35:25,790 --> 00:35:24,300
that's being that's kind of catching up

1029
00:35:27,230 --> 00:35:25,800
to whatever the phenomena is or at least

1030
00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:27,240
to be able to preserve the phenomena

1031
00:35:32,329 --> 00:35:30,660
yeah um so I now at this point you can't

1032
00:35:34,849 --> 00:35:32,339
deny that it's something it can't be

1033
00:35:38,930 --> 00:35:34,859
just you know clutter of space junk yeah

1034
00:35:40,849 --> 00:35:38,940
air garbage like yeah I still thought

1035
00:35:43,310 --> 00:35:40,859
that was funny when they said they said

1036
00:35:45,230 --> 00:35:43,320
air it was air debris or air garbage or

1037
00:35:47,089 --> 00:35:45,240
whatever the the saying was

1038
00:35:50,329 --> 00:35:47,099
that's all I could see was just floating

1039
00:35:51,710 --> 00:35:50,339
bags of garbage yeah yeah it's like I

1040
00:35:54,109 --> 00:35:51,720
didn't know we were pumping helium into

1041
00:35:56,750 --> 00:35:54,119
our trash and was letting it fly in the

1042
00:35:59,810 --> 00:35:56,760
path of a new phenomenon that we had no

1043
00:36:01,370 --> 00:35:59,820
ideas of and like you know a pilot

1044
00:36:03,650 --> 00:36:01,380
that's a trained Observer is not going

1045
00:36:06,849 --> 00:36:03,660
to report a garbage bag that's floating

1046
00:36:09,230 --> 00:36:06,859
in the middle right

1047
00:36:11,089 --> 00:36:09,240
that's such a disrespect to the Pilot's

1048
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:11,099
observation like how could you say

1049
00:36:13,970 --> 00:36:12,720
something like that to a pilot yeah

1050
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:13,980
about what they've seen that's that's

1051
00:36:18,650 --> 00:36:16,800
disrespectful it's like it's it's um

1052
00:36:20,270 --> 00:36:18,660
it's degrading to them and their

1053
00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:20,280
experience and their knowledge and in

1054
00:36:24,109 --> 00:36:22,740
their training you know

1055
00:36:26,030 --> 00:36:24,119
I'm trying to tell them that it's a

1056
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:26,040
group of Seagulls that they saw in the

1057
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:27,839
ocean as opposed to like they're trained

1058
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:29,280
observers for crying out loud these

1059
00:36:32,089 --> 00:36:30,000
people

1060
00:36:34,430 --> 00:36:32,099
fly you know multi-million dollar

1061
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:34,440
equipment with you know then they're

1062
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:36,000
trusted I mean these are the people that

1063
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,680
are going to be defending

1064
00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:39,599
Country For Crying Out Loud if anything

1065
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:41,160
goes wrong like these are the most

1066
00:36:45,170 --> 00:36:42,960
trusted you can't get higher than that

1067
00:36:46,730 --> 00:36:45,180
you know like higher than that would be

1068
00:36:48,530 --> 00:36:46,740
somebody from NASA or something like

1069
00:36:50,990 --> 00:36:48,540
that you know for as a trained Observer

1070
00:36:52,670 --> 00:36:51,000
so I find that insulting even the video

1071
00:36:54,290 --> 00:36:52,680
that I don't know if you you laughed at

1072
00:36:57,050 --> 00:36:54,300
this as much as we did but the video

1073
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:57,060
that they showed at uh the Congress

1074
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:58,800
hearing about you know just this really

1075
00:37:03,890 --> 00:37:01,440
fast bloop well like what the hell is

1076
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:03,900
that like that was way better stuff on

1077
00:37:07,310 --> 00:37:05,400
the internet than this and they're like

1078
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:07,320
yeah this is it this is what we get or

1079
00:37:11,390 --> 00:37:09,599
just use the Tic Tac video you you know

1080
00:37:13,849 --> 00:37:11,400
the government agreed hey this is actual

1081
00:37:15,410 --> 00:37:13,859
government property this happened why

1082
00:37:17,329 --> 00:37:15,420
didn't they use that it's a hell of a

1083
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:17,339
lot more you know um if you're trying to

1084
00:37:21,290 --> 00:37:18,720
explain it to people who've never seen

1085
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:21,300
UAP activity that's a way better video

1086
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,240
but again they want to use something as

1087
00:37:28,910 --> 00:37:26,400
quick and ridiculous as possible to say

1088
00:37:30,589 --> 00:37:28,920
see like really are we done here yet

1089
00:37:32,690 --> 00:37:30,599
this is what we're talking about you

1090
00:37:34,370 --> 00:37:32,700
know it was more of the same let's think

1091
00:37:36,829 --> 00:37:34,380
about this for a second if the

1092
00:37:39,530 --> 00:37:36,839
government spends billions of dollars on

1093
00:37:42,290 --> 00:37:39,540
all this equipment every single year

1094
00:37:44,210 --> 00:37:42,300
and they are using it for National

1095
00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:44,220
Security for not for the defense of the

1096
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,660
United States of America against our

1097
00:37:50,450 --> 00:37:47,520
foreign allies or foreign foreign

1098
00:37:51,890 --> 00:37:50,460
enemies then we you're telling us that

1099
00:37:53,150 --> 00:37:51,900
we can't trust it you're telling us we

1100
00:37:55,069 --> 00:37:53,160
can't trust the pilots that you are

1101
00:37:56,329 --> 00:37:55,079
you're paying to protect us you're

1102
00:37:57,950 --> 00:37:56,339
telling us you can't trust the equipment

1103
00:37:59,390 --> 00:37:57,960
that's tracking these objects you're

1104
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,400
telling us that we can't trust the data

1105
00:38:03,410 --> 00:38:01,200
that's been collected on this phenomena

1106
00:38:05,630 --> 00:38:03,420
so then so then what's going what's

1107
00:38:08,270 --> 00:38:05,640
happening here are we are we that just

1108
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:08,280
like so on are the problems so

1109
00:38:11,210 --> 00:38:10,320
unqualified is that what they're say is

1110
00:38:13,310 --> 00:38:11,220
that what they're saying is our

1111
00:38:15,890 --> 00:38:13,320
equipment so you know so out of whack

1112
00:38:17,870 --> 00:38:15,900
that we we shouldn't trust it what's hap

1113
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:17,880
like how can they say how can anyone

1114
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,599
trust that kind of assessment yeah and I

1115
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:23,040
don't understand that to me it doesn't

1116
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,960
make sense and it is frustrating it's

1117
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:26,640
frustrating because you can't brag that

1118
00:38:30,650 --> 00:38:28,320
you have the best equipment in the world

1119
00:38:32,329 --> 00:38:30,660
yeah the best army in the world and in

1120
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,339
Turner we can say well we can't trust it

1121
00:38:36,650 --> 00:38:34,560
so you know what I mean you could trust

1122
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,660
it if it was like you know a foreign

1123
00:38:41,089 --> 00:38:38,880
adversary like you said coming in but if

1124
00:38:43,310 --> 00:38:41,099
it's a UAP we can't trust it because you

1125
00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:43,320
know we just it's it doesn't make sense

1126
00:38:46,190 --> 00:38:45,540
it doesn't fit within what we can you

1127
00:38:48,050 --> 00:38:46,200
know

1128
00:38:50,030 --> 00:38:48,060
um understand like if you're a fighter

1129
00:38:52,609 --> 00:38:50,040
pilot and you're dealing with something

1130
00:38:56,030 --> 00:38:52,619
that can go from 80 000 feet above sea

1131
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:56,040
water uh into five feet above you know

1132
00:39:02,329 --> 00:38:58,640
the water within a fraction of a second

1133
00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:02,339
seven seconds oh it's a speed of thought

1134
00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:04,740
like literally I think you know I want

1135
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:06,540
to be there and you're there like that's

1136
00:39:10,970 --> 00:39:09,119
how fast these things travel yeah you

1137
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:10,980
can't fight that in a plane like even

1138
00:39:16,010 --> 00:39:14,400
like as fast as there was a F-18 Hornet

1139
00:39:18,410 --> 00:39:16,020
said they were flying

1140
00:39:20,810 --> 00:39:18,420
you can't maneuver that way like you

1141
00:39:22,609 --> 00:39:20,820
still need to like curve around like it

1142
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:22,619
takes you forever to come back to any

1143
00:39:27,470 --> 00:39:25,680
point when you're flying uh they're

1144
00:39:29,630 --> 00:39:27,480
flying against you know these objects

1145
00:39:31,550 --> 00:39:29,640
that run circles around them for crying

1146
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,560
out loud and just take off at velocities

1147
00:39:36,650 --> 00:39:33,839
that are unknown to us like we can't

1148
00:39:38,990 --> 00:39:36,660
fathom that from a standstill point of

1149
00:39:40,430 --> 00:39:39,000
view so when you got a pilot that says

1150
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,440
you know what this is what I recorded

1151
00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:42,720
this is what we've seen this wasn't just

1152
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:44,700
one pilot there's two of them in there

1153
00:39:50,270 --> 00:39:48,480
right there was two two uh from several

1154
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:50,280
different Vantage points yeah yeah plus

1155
00:39:53,569 --> 00:39:51,599
multiple a lot of like multiple

1156
00:39:55,550 --> 00:39:53,579
observation like methods not just the

1157
00:39:57,050 --> 00:39:55,560
pilot seeing it but also being tracked

1158
00:39:59,390 --> 00:39:57,060
on radar so now you have cooperating

1159
00:40:01,790 --> 00:39:59,400
observation methods and you can't trust

1160
00:40:03,470 --> 00:40:01,800
any of that yeah yeah and it wasn't one

1161
00:40:04,910 --> 00:40:03,480
object you know we've all heard the

1162
00:40:07,849 --> 00:40:04,920
video snippet he's like there's a whole

1163
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:07,859
Fleet of a fleet of them yeah one of

1164
00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:10,079
them under sites but there was dozens of

1165
00:40:14,690 --> 00:40:12,119
them you know so

1166
00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:14,700
I don't understand yeah

1167
00:40:19,970 --> 00:40:17,640
so um I really appreciate those answers

1168
00:40:21,470 --> 00:40:19,980
because you know that I thought that

1169
00:40:23,810 --> 00:40:21,480
again I I knew that I wasn't the only

1170
00:40:26,030 --> 00:40:23,820
one who felt like this just doesn't seem

1171
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:26,040
right this doesn't seem right and you

1172
00:40:29,569 --> 00:40:27,839
mentioned Jason about NASA so that

1173
00:40:31,250 --> 00:40:29,579
actually takes me to my next question so

1174
00:40:32,990 --> 00:40:31,260
I appreciate that

1175
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:33,000
um what do you think about about NASA

1176
00:40:35,569 --> 00:40:33,839
announcing that they're going to

1177
00:40:39,890 --> 00:40:35,579
investigate the phenomena but only from

1178
00:40:41,690 --> 00:40:39,900
the unclassified data no now I want to

1179
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:41,700
add just a little bit to that and I hope

1180
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:42,960
that you guys can help me with this

1181
00:40:47,329 --> 00:40:44,400
because again I'm new

1182
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:47,339
but as far as I from my observation of

1183
00:40:50,510 --> 00:40:48,960
what's been put out there by NASA

1184
00:40:53,329 --> 00:40:50,520
themselves NASA's been observing this

1185
00:40:54,890 --> 00:40:53,339
phenomena for quite some time it's not

1186
00:40:55,730 --> 00:40:54,900
new to them just like it's not new to

1187
00:40:58,190 --> 00:40:55,740
the military

1188
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,200
why are they why are they only looking

1189
00:41:02,030 --> 00:41:00,480
at the unclassified data on the

1190
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:02,040
phenomena and why aren't they just

1191
00:41:06,050 --> 00:41:04,079
looking at their own data why are they

1192
00:41:08,329 --> 00:41:06,060
completely ignoring the data that

1193
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,339
they've already had or not even not even

1194
00:41:12,109 --> 00:41:10,079
addressing it because then they have to

1195
00:41:13,790 --> 00:41:12,119
talk about what they have it's the same

1196
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:13,800
thing as why doesn't the government talk

1197
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,560
about pre-2004 because then you

1198
00:41:20,329 --> 00:41:18,480
inherently acknowledge there's stuff

1199
00:41:22,910 --> 00:41:20,339
there that you've been keeping secrets

1200
00:41:24,589 --> 00:41:22,920
so they want to make it seem like and

1201
00:41:26,930 --> 00:41:24,599
NASA is saying you know we're just now

1202
00:41:29,329 --> 00:41:26,940
going to start so they want the message

1203
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:29,339
to be that this is a new thing nobody's

1204
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:30,480
putting their hand up saying we've been

1205
00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:32,160
studying this [\h__\h] for 70 years and

1206
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:34,440
they've never said that so the reason

1207
00:41:38,329 --> 00:41:36,480
that they're using the unclassified data

1208
00:41:40,370 --> 00:41:38,339
is to make you forget about the

1209
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:40,380
unclassified data because technically it

1210
00:41:44,329 --> 00:41:41,760
doesn't exist we don't know nothing

1211
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:44,339
about it we're just starting so that's

1212
00:41:48,109 --> 00:41:46,560
the narrative I see coming from NASA we

1213
00:41:50,690 --> 00:41:48,119
would be fools to think NASA doesn't

1214
00:41:53,630 --> 00:41:50,700
have the most footage and information of

1215
00:41:56,329 --> 00:41:53,640
everything NASA is military just not

1216
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:56,339
with a military name right so

1217
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:59,280
yeah I think this is just a ruse uh you

1218
00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:00,839
know yeah we're just gonna start now

1219
00:42:05,089 --> 00:42:02,760
sure but you didn't start when you had

1220
00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:05,099
satellites and the space program and you

1221
00:42:08,690 --> 00:42:06,300
weren't watching for what could

1222
00:42:10,250 --> 00:42:08,700
potentially you know Russia might take

1223
00:42:11,569 --> 00:42:10,260
out your rocket in space I mean you

1224
00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:11,579
didn't already have that observation

1225
00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:14,280
capability so I think it's a bunch of

1226
00:42:17,210 --> 00:42:15,240
[\h__\h]

1227
00:42:19,490 --> 00:42:17,220
didn't they have that one uh space lady

1228
00:42:22,609 --> 00:42:19,500
too like back in the 90s completely

1229
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,619
freak out when uh a craft approached the

1230
00:42:27,950 --> 00:42:24,960
International Space Station she was

1231
00:42:29,870 --> 00:42:27,960
freaking out and they turned off oh it

1232
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:29,880
was okay it was just space debris or

1233
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:31,680
whatever like I don't think space debris

1234
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,880
would have freaked her out that much

1235
00:42:36,290 --> 00:42:34,560
like you know and here's the problem

1236
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,300
with space debris okay because

1237
00:42:40,430 --> 00:42:38,400
everything is like infinite velocity

1238
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,440
even like the amount of space junk out

1239
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:42,960
there is a problem right so a little nut

1240
00:42:48,170 --> 00:42:45,119
or bolt that was dropped 40 years ago

1241
00:42:50,810 --> 00:42:48,180
could be going 28 000 miles an hour in

1242
00:42:53,089 --> 00:42:50,820
orbit so the whole idea of space debris

1243
00:42:55,310 --> 00:42:53,099
it's not gentle things floating around

1244
00:42:57,890 --> 00:42:55,320
they may appear that way but you're not

1245
00:43:00,050 --> 00:42:57,900
gonna have anything of any danger around

1246
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:00,060
your like that bolt will go straight

1247
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:02,880
through the ISS so that would be it you

1248
00:43:07,730 --> 00:43:05,280
know like they're in a bubble in the

1249
00:43:09,410 --> 00:43:07,740
atmosphere like they're in space so the

1250
00:43:11,089 --> 00:43:09,420
whole idea of oh there's just random

1251
00:43:13,550 --> 00:43:11,099
space debris they know where every piece

1252
00:43:14,930 --> 00:43:13,560
of junk is everywhere because of the

1253
00:43:16,910 --> 00:43:14,940
dangers associated with those little

1254
00:43:18,770 --> 00:43:16,920
pieces is a junk everywhere

1255
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,780
another thing too with NASA

1256
00:43:22,430 --> 00:43:20,640
investigating cases that have already

1257
00:43:25,010 --> 00:43:22,440
happened to me that's as useful as a

1258
00:43:26,990 --> 00:43:25,020
butthole right here right

1259
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:27,000
because

1260
00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:29,520
I've already been doing it uh you know

1261
00:43:33,170 --> 00:43:31,619
investigating it already and they can't

1262
00:43:35,089 --> 00:43:33,180
do anything like they're not going to

1263
00:43:37,790 --> 00:43:35,099
come out with any new data you know what

1264
00:43:39,410 --> 00:43:37,800
I mean it's useless and to them it's

1265
00:43:41,630 --> 00:43:39,420
just to be able to come out with like oh

1266
00:43:43,309 --> 00:43:41,640
here's what we found on this case but

1267
00:43:44,690 --> 00:43:43,319
it's not going to be anything more

1268
00:43:46,730 --> 00:43:44,700
useful than the people that have already

1269
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,740
been doing it some great organizations

1270
00:43:50,990 --> 00:43:48,480
like move on and stuff like that have

1271
00:43:53,809 --> 00:43:51,000
been have great investigators better

1272
00:43:56,510 --> 00:43:53,819
investigators than I will ever be um and

1273
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,520
they do solid work I think those are the

1274
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,319
organizations really that we should be

1275
00:44:02,450 --> 00:44:00,240
praising or the people that have been

1276
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:02,460
doing it already and saying hey well

1277
00:44:07,730 --> 00:44:05,520
NASA was taking a snooze we were on the

1278
00:44:09,170 --> 00:44:07,740
ball and we did this right so

1279
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,180
yeah

1280
00:44:12,609 --> 00:44:11,280
Jason please click that

1281
00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:12,619
um

1282
00:44:17,569 --> 00:44:16,020
what's that that was that was that was

1283
00:44:19,069 --> 00:44:17,579
fantastic I hope you clipped that

1284
00:44:22,809 --> 00:44:19,079
because I would love to go back and

1285
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:25,430
sorry I lost my composure there for a

1286
00:44:30,290 --> 00:44:27,599
second all right so no worries

1287
00:44:32,089 --> 00:44:30,300
it's I I again I appreciate that because

1288
00:44:33,290 --> 00:44:32,099
again it's it doesn't make sense we know

1289
00:44:35,089 --> 00:44:33,300
we know it's ridiculous we know that

1290
00:44:37,550 --> 00:44:35,099
they're just again obfuscating the truth

1291
00:44:38,809 --> 00:44:37,560
about what they know yeah and they're

1292
00:44:41,150 --> 00:44:38,819
not going to tell us anything about the

1293
00:44:43,790 --> 00:44:41,160
best Legacy programs and such

1294
00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:43,800
so now I want to ask a little bit more

1295
00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:46,260
like a kind of a a question I think

1296
00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:47,640
everybody wants to know people that like

1297
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:49,800
my listeners they they're still they're

1298
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,880
a lot of them a lot of people that

1299
00:44:54,050 --> 00:44:52,560
listen to me are not even I'm not even

1300
00:44:55,370 --> 00:44:54,060
familiar with any of the data they're

1301
00:44:56,450 --> 00:44:55,380
not familiar with all the people that we

1302
00:44:57,650 --> 00:44:56,460
talk about they're not familiar with all

1303
00:44:59,450 --> 00:44:57,660
the people the guests that you've had

1304
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:59,460
and they're not familiar with what we

1305
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:01,920
know about the phenomenon publicly

1306
00:45:05,930 --> 00:45:04,319
um and officially so what do you think

1307
00:45:08,569 --> 00:45:05,940
at least at this point with the general

1308
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:08,579
consensus of the phenomena is according

1309
00:45:11,630 --> 00:45:09,839
to like what you know people like

1310
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,640
Jacques valet and people like Julio

1311
00:45:14,809 --> 00:45:13,440
zondo and people like you know because

1312
00:45:16,970 --> 00:45:14,819
Jacques filet has mentioned that they

1313
00:45:19,250 --> 00:45:16,980
might this this phenomenon is associated

1314
00:45:21,230 --> 00:45:19,260
with a lot of different things and it

1315
00:45:22,490 --> 00:45:21,240
could be interdimensional in nature and

1316
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:22,500
that it could be you know associated

1317
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,480
with Poltergeist for example like in

1318
00:45:29,210 --> 00:45:27,359
Skinwalker Ranch the phenomena there has

1319
00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:29,220
this what's called this The Hitchhiker

1320
00:45:33,710 --> 00:45:31,740
effect which is pretty scary from what I

1321
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:33,720
understand and there's also this is

1322
00:45:37,550 --> 00:45:35,520
everything even think about ghosts and

1323
00:45:39,230 --> 00:45:37,560
demons and fairies and gnomes all the

1324
00:45:41,329 --> 00:45:39,240
things that we have looked back and said

1325
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:41,339
this stuff is just fairy tales and it's

1326
00:45:46,490 --> 00:45:43,920
just crap it may have been associated

1327
00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:46,500
with the phenomena so what do you what

1328
00:45:51,650 --> 00:45:48,300
do you think personally what the general

1329
00:45:53,569 --> 00:45:51,660
consensus is about the phenom I would

1330
00:45:55,069 --> 00:45:53,579
say I think there is no consensus you

1331
00:45:57,050 --> 00:45:55,079
look at the infighting on Twitter and

1332
00:45:59,390 --> 00:45:57,060
that's exactly what it is it's everybody

1333
00:46:01,550 --> 00:45:59,400
grasping onto what their version of the

1334
00:46:03,530 --> 00:46:01,560
truth is and then throwing stones at

1335
00:46:04,970 --> 00:46:03,540
everybody else so that's part of our

1336
00:46:07,069 --> 00:46:04,980
issue the fact that we don't have a

1337
00:46:08,450 --> 00:46:07,079
consensus in a good way I mean we'll

1338
00:46:09,950 --> 00:46:08,460
never all agree and it's that

1339
00:46:11,870 --> 00:46:09,960
open-minded debate that we're actually

1340
00:46:14,270 --> 00:46:11,880
looking for that I think is healthy for

1341
00:46:17,150 --> 00:46:14,280
the movement but I think the consensus

1342
00:46:19,790 --> 00:46:17,160
is more more generally we don't know and

1343
00:46:21,410 --> 00:46:19,800
I'm glad we're trending there but yeah I

1344
00:46:22,670 --> 00:46:21,420
don't think there is a consensus just my

1345
00:46:25,370 --> 00:46:22,680
opinion

1346
00:46:27,710 --> 00:46:25,380
yeah I think that uh the more we delve

1347
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,720
into it ourselves the more we discover

1348
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:29,520
that there's a bunch of junk behind it

1349
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:31,200
that we're like holy crap like we even

1350
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:33,599
think about exploring this and I think

1351
00:46:37,370 --> 00:46:35,040
that's the good thing about you know

1352
00:46:39,650 --> 00:46:37,380
your podcasts as well as this one or any

1353
00:46:42,530 --> 00:46:39,660
other one that deals with the phenomenon

1354
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:42,540
is that it allows for

1355
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,880
specific episodes to take place you know

1356
00:46:48,530 --> 00:46:46,800
you might talk to somebody that it looks

1357
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:48,540
at it more from a religious point of

1358
00:46:52,609 --> 00:46:50,160
view that you know has worked with

1359
00:46:55,550 --> 00:46:52,619
people within the church that are

1360
00:46:57,290 --> 00:46:55,560
abductees for instance how do they view

1361
00:46:59,930 --> 00:46:57,300
their abductions or for them it's a

1362
00:47:02,510 --> 00:46:59,940
demonic thing they don't look at it as

1363
00:47:04,849 --> 00:47:02,520
an alien entity you know doing medical

1364
00:47:08,270 --> 00:47:04,859
procedures for them it's being you know

1365
00:47:09,710 --> 00:47:08,280
loomed over by demons or something uh so

1366
00:47:11,930 --> 00:47:09,720
there's different perspective and that

1367
00:47:14,270 --> 00:47:11,940
could be just the way that we are as

1368
00:47:16,970 --> 00:47:14,280
humans you know based on how we you know

1369
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:16,980
how we compartmentalize everything uh

1370
00:47:21,230 --> 00:47:18,960
everything's in a box like religion is

1371
00:47:23,809 --> 00:47:21,240
very you know keeps you kind of in a box

1372
00:47:25,309 --> 00:47:23,819
in a way uh you're gonna try to fit

1373
00:47:27,770 --> 00:47:25,319
whatever it is that's happening to you

1374
00:47:29,690 --> 00:47:27,780
to fit that mold and I think that's the

1375
00:47:32,089 --> 00:47:29,700
biggest problem with us as a species is

1376
00:47:34,609 --> 00:47:32,099
that everything is already molded by the

1377
00:47:36,650 --> 00:47:34,619
time we're adults that something like

1378
00:47:39,170 --> 00:47:36,660
this comes along that might be so

1379
00:47:41,569 --> 00:47:39,180
freaking you know like Louie says

1380
00:47:43,609 --> 00:47:41,579
Stranger than we can think it doesn't

1381
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:43,619
fit within the bar boxes that we have

1382
00:47:47,630 --> 00:47:45,359
and that's what's so frustrating is

1383
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:47,640
we're like toddlers trying to put those

1384
00:47:52,609 --> 00:47:50,640
blocks in like fit and it's not fitting

1385
00:47:53,870 --> 00:47:52,619
right and that's the biggest problem

1386
00:47:56,930 --> 00:47:53,880
that we have so we have to keep

1387
00:47:58,910 --> 00:47:56,940
expanding our search and

1388
00:48:01,730 --> 00:47:58,920
um you know different

1389
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:01,740
ideas and explore different uh you know

1390
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,800
hypothesis and theories because we don't

1391
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:06,480
know what this phenomenon is and I think

1392
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:09,839
it spans far more than just one species

1393
00:48:14,329 --> 00:48:11,760
you know visiting us I think it's

1394
00:48:16,370 --> 00:48:14,339
multiple there's also inter-dimensional

1395
00:48:19,069 --> 00:48:16,380
there could be extra tempestral as well

1396
00:48:21,770 --> 00:48:19,079
I think it's a collateral like just a a

1397
00:48:24,589 --> 00:48:21,780
combination of everything all of it yeah

1398
00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:24,599
all just a big ball of a big cluster

1399
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:27,660
[\h__\h] of stuff that's happening right and

1400
00:48:31,130 --> 00:48:29,520
I think that's literally what it is it's

1401
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,140
just it's just a bunch of different

1402
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:33,119
activities and you can't have the

1403
00:48:36,349 --> 00:48:34,800
government come out and go you know what

1404
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,359
things are really strange and we don't

1405
00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:38,160
know what the hell is happening but all

1406
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:39,660
these things are true

1407
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:40,800
um you know how would the general

1408
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:43,680
population then react to that we

1409
00:48:49,609 --> 00:48:46,880
couldn't right like as just look at the

1410
00:48:52,010 --> 00:48:49,619
toilet paper incident of uh

1411
00:48:54,170 --> 00:48:52,020
2020 right like everybody going crazy

1412
00:48:55,849 --> 00:48:54,180
over toilet paper at least here in

1413
00:48:57,710 --> 00:48:55,859
Canada people literally punching each

1414
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,720
other in the face yeah over toilet paper

1415
00:49:01,010 --> 00:48:59,760
as if that was the solution to our

1416
00:49:02,510 --> 00:49:01,020
problem

1417
00:49:05,089 --> 00:49:02,520
um so you can tell that you know if

1418
00:49:07,370 --> 00:49:05,099
anything big like that was to ever

1419
00:49:10,010 --> 00:49:07,380
be disclosed I don't think we would

1420
00:49:11,930 --> 00:49:10,020
handle it uh very well and James Fox

1421
00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:11,940
told us that after our recording with

1422
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:13,560
them when we did our show and he

1423
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:14,880
basically said that he had had lunch

1424
00:49:18,770 --> 00:49:17,280
with Bigelow you know years ago and he'd

1425
00:49:20,510 --> 00:49:18,780
asked him about that and basically what

1426
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:20,520
he said is during his time at nids and

1427
00:49:23,870 --> 00:49:21,599
everything else the government did

1428
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:23,880
studies on if we just tell the people

1429
00:49:28,190 --> 00:49:26,160
and just come clean right what happened

1430
00:49:30,589 --> 00:49:28,200
and they ran many different scenarios if

1431
00:49:32,569 --> 00:49:30,599
it was soft disclosure with capital D or

1432
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:32,579
lowercase so to speak and the

1433
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:34,800
overwhelming consensus at the end of all

1434
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:36,720
those different studies the world will

1435
00:49:40,010 --> 00:49:38,400
fall apart people will lose their

1436
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:40,020
freaking mind they won't pay they won't

1437
00:49:44,089 --> 00:49:41,760
be patriotic to their country or their

1438
00:49:45,950 --> 00:49:44,099
religion or the same leaders that have

1439
00:49:47,930 --> 00:49:45,960
been feeding them information for years

1440
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:47,940
say screw you you're just like us

1441
00:49:53,870 --> 00:49:50,880
there's something above us it's it was

1442
00:49:55,609 --> 00:49:53,880
catastrophe in every scenario and I

1443
00:49:58,250 --> 00:49:55,619
genuine I tend to believe that I think

1444
00:49:59,870 --> 00:49:58,260
we are quite sheepish still as people I

1445
00:50:01,130 --> 00:49:59,880
believe most of what we read even though

1446
00:50:02,690 --> 00:50:01,140
we know you shouldn't you know believe

1447
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:02,700
everything you see don't believe

1448
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:05,040
everything you read most people do and

1449
00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:07,140
and I think it would be a big problem if

1450
00:50:11,390 --> 00:50:09,180
disclosure happened and they said both

1451
00:50:13,250 --> 00:50:11,400
even from a military standpoint these

1452
00:50:15,170 --> 00:50:13,260
things can come into our air space with

1453
00:50:16,970 --> 00:50:15,180
impunity we can't catch them we can't

1454
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:16,980
shoot them down they can turn off our

1455
00:50:22,430 --> 00:50:19,440
weapons right they can you know they can

1456
00:50:23,930 --> 00:50:22,440
interface with us telepathically and you

1457
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:23,940
know and that also speaks volumes about

1458
00:50:28,430 --> 00:50:26,160
our capacity too and maybe we could have

1459
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:28,440
advanced more if we knew we had this

1460
00:50:33,410 --> 00:50:30,960
ability to and I again I tend to believe

1461
00:50:36,050 --> 00:50:33,420
that it would be more problematic than

1462
00:50:38,270 --> 00:50:36,060
we think we think we're ready but we may

1463
00:50:40,430 --> 00:50:38,280
be ready yeah but not on the topic

1464
00:50:42,410 --> 00:50:40,440
already we're more ready than ever but

1465
00:50:44,809 --> 00:50:42,420
the general population

1466
00:50:48,109 --> 00:50:44,819
not so much

1467
00:50:49,549 --> 00:50:48,119
I I I want to add check me on this

1468
00:50:52,190 --> 00:50:49,559
because again I'm still new and I'm

1469
00:50:54,530 --> 00:50:52,200
still developing my perspective on it

1470
00:50:56,510 --> 00:50:54,540
um I think you're right I've come to

1471
00:50:58,370 --> 00:50:56,520
believe that people are most people are

1472
00:51:00,170 --> 00:50:58,380
not ready I've been having conversations

1473
00:51:01,790 --> 00:51:00,180
since I started investigating phenomena

1474
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:01,800
and listening to all the people that you

1475
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:03,119
know like jock valet and all these

1476
00:51:05,450 --> 00:51:03,839
people

1477
00:51:07,370 --> 00:51:05,460
um and what they say and when I talk to

1478
00:51:08,809 --> 00:51:07,380
somebody about that what about what they

1479
00:51:10,130 --> 00:51:08,819
say about it what's being said about the

1480
00:51:11,630 --> 00:51:10,140
phenomena

1481
00:51:13,609 --> 00:51:11,640
um there's this moment you know Louis

1482
00:51:16,609 --> 00:51:13,619
Lozano said that if if we were to know

1483
00:51:18,410 --> 00:51:16,619
right now if you were to describe it in

1484
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:18,420
one word what people would feel you know

1485
00:51:23,770 --> 00:51:21,680
he said somber and that is literally

1486
00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:23,780
literally the feeling the the the

1487
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:26,280
atmosphere of a conversation when I have

1488
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:27,839
it with people and sometimes they only

1489
00:51:32,450 --> 00:51:29,839
they just change the subject

1490
00:51:33,710 --> 00:51:32,460
they ask me you know now that I'm doing

1491
00:51:34,970 --> 00:51:33,720
this they're like well tell me what do

1492
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:34,980
you know and I'm like well I don't know

1493
00:51:38,750 --> 00:51:37,440
but here's what people think and they're

1494
00:51:40,970 --> 00:51:38,760
and they're just like

1495
00:51:43,370 --> 00:51:40,980
um well you know I'm doing this thing

1496
00:51:45,710 --> 00:51:43,380
here and it just completely off off the

1497
00:51:48,349 --> 00:51:45,720
topic they don't want it it scares them

1498
00:51:50,270 --> 00:51:48,359
they don't want to have to think about

1499
00:51:51,770 --> 00:51:50,280
what all the possibilities because

1500
00:51:52,670 --> 00:51:51,780
they're trying to cook dinner tonight

1501
00:51:53,870 --> 00:51:52,680
they're trying to go to football

1502
00:51:55,790 --> 00:51:53,880
practice tomorrow they're trying to have

1503
00:51:57,410 --> 00:51:55,800
a life and they have friends and just do

1504
00:51:59,809 --> 00:51:57,420
things they don't want to know that

1505
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:59,819
there's a deeper uh meaning to all this

1506
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:01,680
stuff there's more to our reality than

1507
00:52:06,530 --> 00:52:05,040
what we see so yeah I agree I have come

1508
00:52:10,010 --> 00:52:06,540
to that conclusion that people are just

1509
00:52:12,530 --> 00:52:10,020
not ready right they're not ready so our

1510
00:52:15,290 --> 00:52:12,540
spouses are you know are now warming up

1511
00:52:17,150 --> 00:52:15,300
to the idea of you know what what is

1512
00:52:20,030 --> 00:52:17,160
that we do and and what we believe in

1513
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:20,040
have you found that to be your case as

1514
00:52:24,829 --> 00:52:22,079
well with your spouse that you know is

1515
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:24,839
this some a subject you can Broach very

1516
00:52:30,170 --> 00:52:27,119
easily or is it something that still

1517
00:52:31,849 --> 00:52:30,180
scares them like well I don't know how

1518
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:31,859
what you can tell about my conversation

1519
00:52:38,450 --> 00:52:36,720
but sometimes I I can be wording

1520
00:52:40,670 --> 00:52:38,460
um I can be a little intense actually

1521
00:52:43,010 --> 00:52:40,680
really intense

1522
00:52:44,930 --> 00:52:43,020
very dramatic you know like my the way

1523
00:52:47,150 --> 00:52:44,940
that I talk about things it's never just

1524
00:52:48,770 --> 00:52:47,160
like oh this happened it's very dramatic

1525
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:48,780
I use words that are dramatic and I use

1526
00:52:52,370 --> 00:52:50,400
the feeling that you know my voice

1527
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,380
acting comes out all the time and so

1528
00:52:57,049 --> 00:52:54,480
sometimes it's overwhelming

1529
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:57,059
and she'll tell me like Hey listen you

1530
00:53:02,030 --> 00:52:59,040
gotta so let's take it back tell me just

1531
00:53:04,609 --> 00:53:02,040
give me the data do not try to sell me

1532
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:04,619
on anything just give me the data and I

1533
00:53:08,750 --> 00:53:06,720
really appreciate that because because

1534
00:53:10,609 --> 00:53:08,760
that's what people want that's that's

1535
00:53:13,069 --> 00:53:10,619
how my listeners are they're they're

1536
00:53:15,290 --> 00:53:13,079
people like her my listeners are in in

1537
00:53:17,329 --> 00:53:15,300
my content because they like they they

1538
00:53:19,370 --> 00:53:17,339
feel what I have to say they're really

1539
00:53:21,170 --> 00:53:19,380
interested in how I make them feel not

1540
00:53:23,150 --> 00:53:21,180
necessarily specifically what I have to

1541
00:53:24,829 --> 00:53:23,160
say but it doesn't Inspire them to to

1542
00:53:26,270 --> 00:53:24,839
take a look at this phenomena from the

1543
00:53:27,410 --> 00:53:26,280
from the perspective of how will it

1544
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:27,420
affect me

1545
00:53:33,410 --> 00:53:29,760
you know how will how will this connect

1546
00:53:35,870 --> 00:53:33,420
us all so she is my listener she is my

1547
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:35,880
demographic and so yes she has come

1548
00:53:39,290 --> 00:53:37,200
around she used to be like you're crazy

1549
00:53:40,670 --> 00:53:39,300
you're you're just crazy she believes me

1550
00:53:41,930 --> 00:53:40,680
then after having a conversation and

1551
00:53:44,089 --> 00:53:41,940
talking about the event the accounts of

1552
00:53:46,370 --> 00:53:44,099
these high-profile people she started to

1553
00:53:48,410 --> 00:53:46,380
say maybe there is something to this and

1554
00:53:50,690 --> 00:53:48,420
started asking me questions you know

1555
00:53:52,670 --> 00:53:50,700
well what about this and what about this

1556
00:53:54,829 --> 00:53:52,680
and and then and then we would have

1557
00:53:57,470 --> 00:53:54,839
casual conversations and she would

1558
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:57,480
casually I love this do you think the

1559
00:54:01,730 --> 00:53:59,119
aliens

1560
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:01,740
I'm like and when and the first time she

1561
00:54:06,290 --> 00:54:04,079
did that my heart leaked out

1562
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,300
I've I've won someone over that does

1563
00:54:10,430 --> 00:54:08,160
that's so she's so skeptical of

1564
00:54:12,049 --> 00:54:10,440
everything I say no because she

1565
00:54:14,329 --> 00:54:12,059
challenges me to be better to be more

1566
00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:14,339
specific to be more clear about what I

1567
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:16,200
say because I can be like all over the

1568
00:54:19,549 --> 00:54:18,240
place and I respect that and I

1569
00:54:21,230 --> 00:54:19,559
appreciate that so much because that's

1570
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:21,240
again that's what my listeners want from

1571
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:23,280
me that's who I'm talking to yeah she's

1572
00:54:26,809 --> 00:54:24,960
come around she has come around full

1573
00:54:30,290 --> 00:54:26,819
circle man it's wild

1574
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:30,300
what's up nice no it's been same with uh

1575
00:54:35,870 --> 00:54:32,400
my spouse before we weren't able to talk

1576
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:35,880
about it but now she's a lot more open

1577
00:54:39,410 --> 00:54:37,680
to it and we talk about it all the time

1578
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,420
she's so much so she's asking like you

1579
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:41,280
know who's on your show today were you

1580
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:43,200
guys talking about today so it's nice to

1581
00:54:47,089 --> 00:54:45,599
get to that point but she came from a

1582
00:54:50,569 --> 00:54:47,099
very conservative uh Christian

1583
00:54:53,450 --> 00:54:50,579
background so it was very difficult to

1584
00:54:55,490 --> 00:54:53,460
bring this subject uh through right even

1585
00:54:57,290 --> 00:54:55,500
we had a sighting together and she

1586
00:54:59,150 --> 00:54:57,300
didn't want to talk about it for years

1587
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:59,160
because it scared the crap out of her

1588
00:55:03,170 --> 00:55:01,680
but once you know she starts becoming a

1589
00:55:04,730 --> 00:55:03,180
little bit more open to the subject we

1590
00:55:06,770 --> 00:55:04,740
can actually talk about the sighting and

1591
00:55:08,990 --> 00:55:06,780
then compare notes you know what did you

1592
00:55:10,490 --> 00:55:09,000
see what did I see type thing

1593
00:55:12,349 --> 00:55:10,500
um but I think a lot of people are in

1594
00:55:13,549 --> 00:55:12,359
that mindset as well and it just reminds

1595
00:55:15,650 --> 00:55:13,559
me of

1596
00:55:17,690 --> 00:55:15,660
the people out there that have sightings

1597
00:55:19,370 --> 00:55:17,700
that always dismiss them

1598
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:19,380
they'll see something strange and go huh

1599
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:20,880
and you get inside their car and you

1600
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:22,559
take off and they never talk about that

1601
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,720
yeah but there's so many people every

1602
00:55:28,250 --> 00:55:26,400
day that that happens to and they just

1603
00:55:30,770 --> 00:55:28,260
look at it as huh that was weird and

1604
00:55:32,510 --> 00:55:30,780
just move on right go to McDonald's and

1605
00:55:34,730 --> 00:55:32,520
Melissa Tittle when she was on our show

1606
00:55:36,109 --> 00:55:34,740
said that she was like walking and there

1607
00:55:38,990 --> 00:55:36,119
was a little old lady walking her dog

1608
00:55:41,089 --> 00:55:39,000
and they had a legit UFO sighting and

1609
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:41,099
the lady looked up and goes huh you know

1610
00:55:44,690 --> 00:55:42,720
what would you know about that and then

1611
00:55:46,670 --> 00:55:44,700
just continued on walking her dog like

1612
00:55:48,109 --> 00:55:46,680
it never happened it's like their brain

1613
00:55:50,690 --> 00:55:48,119
just couldn't grasp what the hell that

1614
00:55:52,250 --> 00:55:50,700
beat what was and it's better to just go

1615
00:55:55,370 --> 00:55:52,260
about my Merry way I'm sure it was

1616
00:55:57,250 --> 00:55:55,380
something and they're okay I'm walking a

1617
00:56:00,049 --> 00:55:57,260
little faster now

1618
00:56:01,490 --> 00:56:00,059
well I mean Gary Nolan when he was he

1619
00:56:03,609 --> 00:56:01,500
said that he had an experience right

1620
00:56:06,349 --> 00:56:03,619
where not just the the the

1621
00:56:09,230 --> 00:56:06,359
face-to-face contact it seemed like he

1622
00:56:10,370 --> 00:56:09,240
he said that he saw a crafts once and he

1623
00:56:12,650 --> 00:56:10,380
just thought you know he's riding his

1624
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:12,660
bike you know and and then and it was at

1625
00:56:16,730 --> 00:56:14,640
night time and the trees were the Shadow

1626
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:16,740
from the trees were changing you can see

1627
00:56:20,990 --> 00:56:18,240
that there's a light that was clearly

1628
00:56:24,170 --> 00:56:21,000
shutting down on Shining the shadow

1629
00:56:26,569 --> 00:56:24,180
casting Shadow below him and he saw when

1630
00:56:28,730 --> 00:56:26,579
he looked up a craft a circular disc to

1631
00:56:30,109 --> 00:56:28,740
craft and he said oh that that must be

1632
00:56:31,250 --> 00:56:30,119
his thought was it just must be

1633
00:56:33,770 --> 00:56:31,260
something the military's working on

1634
00:56:35,329 --> 00:56:33,780
right he just went about his day and

1635
00:56:38,270 --> 00:56:35,339
that was that was when he was a kid and

1636
00:56:41,569 --> 00:56:38,280
again I I've had experiences where

1637
00:56:43,130 --> 00:56:41,579
I'm like what do I do with that like I I

1638
00:56:45,530 --> 00:56:43,140
mean what am I gonna do with it just

1639
00:56:46,910 --> 00:56:45,540
something happened to me and I I'm not

1640
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:46,920
gonna tell someone if I tell someone

1641
00:56:50,450 --> 00:56:48,240
how's it going to turn out is it gonna

1642
00:56:52,190 --> 00:56:50,460
how is it gonna viscerally affect my

1643
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:52,200
life yeah and I think that is exactly

1644
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:54,000
how people are thinking one time my my

1645
00:56:58,490 --> 00:56:56,400
partner she says Okay can the aliens

1646
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:58,500
help me cook dinner and I'm like clearly

1647
00:57:01,069 --> 00:56:59,760
not then she doesn't have the

1648
00:57:02,930 --> 00:57:01,079
conversation sometimes it's just she

1649
00:57:05,630 --> 00:57:02,940
just doesn't happen so again that's yeah

1650
00:57:07,250 --> 00:57:05,640
people are people or more people have

1651
00:57:09,049 --> 00:57:07,260
these experiences and you can than are

1652
00:57:11,329 --> 00:57:09,059
being documented

1653
00:57:13,250 --> 00:57:11,339
yeah yeah and some people want to talk

1654
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:13,260
about it some people don't right some

1655
00:57:17,210 --> 00:57:14,880
people have had experiences that are

1656
00:57:18,829 --> 00:57:17,220
probably amazing stories but will never

1657
00:57:21,170 --> 00:57:18,839
talk about it because

1658
00:57:22,730 --> 00:57:21,180
either one they're dead or told never to

1659
00:57:25,309 --> 00:57:22,740
talk about it or you know whatever

1660
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:25,319
circumstances happen but I think there's

1661
00:57:29,210 --> 00:57:26,880
tons of stories out there that have got

1662
00:57:31,069 --> 00:57:29,220
to exist that you know we'll never hear

1663
00:57:33,230 --> 00:57:31,079
from it's never going to be on Unsolved

1664
00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:33,240
Mysteries or anything like that

1665
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:35,220
speaking of Unsolved Mysteries Robert

1666
00:57:40,849 --> 00:57:38,160
Stacks was such a huge uh influence on

1667
00:57:43,609 --> 00:57:40,859
me when I was a kid uh his voice was the

1668
00:57:46,730 --> 00:57:43,619
creepiest voice ever to report record

1669
00:57:49,069 --> 00:57:46,740
anything on a TV show so do you do that

1670
00:57:52,490 --> 00:57:49,079
at all in your on your uh podcast and

1671
00:57:56,450 --> 00:57:52,500
creep anybody out well nobody has been

1672
00:57:58,430 --> 00:57:56,460
my goal my goal is to is to kind of

1673
00:58:00,290 --> 00:57:58,440
again I'm my Target demographic is

1674
00:58:02,109 --> 00:58:00,300
people that don't know right they're not

1675
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:02,119
into the field they're not interested

1676
00:58:07,790 --> 00:58:05,760
but they but I want them to be so that's

1677
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:07,800
my target I do not want to freak them

1678
00:58:13,549 --> 00:58:11,280
out so not nobody has come to me yet and

1679
00:58:15,650 --> 00:58:13,559
said hey man not not on my you know with

1680
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:15,660
my content this freaks me out most the

1681
00:58:20,990 --> 00:58:18,960
time it's like wow like this is I feel

1682
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:21,000
this I feel and even though there are

1683
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:22,079
people that aren't even interested in

1684
00:58:26,210 --> 00:58:24,480
the phenomena it's it's the way that I

1685
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:26,220
make them feel that makes them I've

1686
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:27,359
already I've thought this too I've

1687
00:58:29,930 --> 00:58:28,559
wondered is there something out there

1688
00:58:31,849 --> 00:58:29,940
I've wondered and that's what people are

1689
00:58:33,890 --> 00:58:31,859
telling me people are saying I never

1690
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:33,900
really say anything about it but I've

1691
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:35,520
wondered and they're like you know I'm

1692
00:58:39,770 --> 00:58:37,200
just this person that does this and I

1693
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:39,780
have this job and so so they're just

1694
00:58:44,930 --> 00:58:42,480
regular people who are who are now

1695
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,940
talking to me about how they've always

1696
00:58:49,130 --> 00:58:46,559
thought and wondered the same things

1697
00:58:50,569 --> 00:58:49,140
people are people are they've all

1698
00:58:51,950 --> 00:58:50,579
thought it they're just not talking

1699
00:58:55,250 --> 00:58:51,960
about it

1700
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:55,260
and we don't need to to delve into your

1701
00:58:59,809 --> 00:58:57,359
um experiences or anything like that if

1702
00:59:01,370 --> 00:58:59,819
you don't want to but what age did those

1703
00:59:03,890 --> 00:59:01,380
occurrences happen for you were you

1704
00:59:05,150 --> 00:59:03,900
younger when that took place I'm gonna

1705
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:05,160
I'm just gonna tell you okay because

1706
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:06,720
there were two experiences and I'm going

1707
00:59:10,370 --> 00:59:09,119
to tell you why I I wasn't talking about

1708
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:10,380
them

1709
00:59:13,490 --> 00:59:12,000
um because I feel like there is

1710
00:59:15,470 --> 00:59:13,500
significant as they were to me they're

1711
00:59:17,390 --> 00:59:15,480
insignificant in story

1712
00:59:21,410 --> 00:59:17,400
when the first experience I had I was a

1713
00:59:23,089 --> 00:59:21,420
teenager about I think 13 or 14. and I

1714
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:23,099
was at my grandmother's house in New

1715
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:24,720
Jersey and a lot of weird things

1716
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:25,920
happened at my grandmother's house in

1717
00:59:32,210 --> 00:59:28,319
Jersey but this one experience I want it

1718
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:32,220
was just it was such it was monumental

1719
00:59:37,370 --> 00:59:34,799
um I was there's a there's a room that

1720
00:59:39,530 --> 00:59:37,380
is like a second living room and had a

1721
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:39,540
it had a sectional in the corner of the

1722
00:59:43,370 --> 00:59:41,760
room and to the opposite side of that

1723
00:59:45,410 --> 00:59:43,380
section was a big window that's like

1724
00:59:47,150 --> 00:59:45,420
almost the entire wall right so you can

1725
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:47,160
because it's white curtains that you can

1726
00:59:50,690 --> 00:59:48,720
see through kind of right right but

1727
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:50,700
night at night time

1728
00:59:54,049 --> 00:59:52,559
um if there's a car there's neighbors

1729
00:59:55,490 --> 00:59:54,059
that she built onto the side of the

1730
00:59:58,190 --> 00:59:55,500
house that have she rents out that part

1731
00:59:59,390 --> 00:59:58,200
of the house to other people and so at

1732
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:59,400
night time sometimes the neighbors will

1733
01:00:02,750 --> 01:00:00,960
drive in and park and you'll see like

1734
01:00:04,430 --> 01:00:02,760
lights shining through the window but

1735
01:00:05,270 --> 01:00:04,440
this night I woke up and it was really

1736
01:00:08,210 --> 01:00:05,280
late

1737
01:00:10,190 --> 01:00:08,220
and there was this super bright light

1738
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:10,200
that was outside and it was like I was

1739
01:00:13,309 --> 01:00:11,760
like man it must be like something going

1740
01:00:14,930 --> 01:00:13,319
on like a party or maybe there's cops

1741
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:14,940
out there or something like that

1742
01:00:19,370 --> 01:00:17,040
and I looked I walked out over to the

1743
01:00:21,710 --> 01:00:19,380
window and I just pulled the curtain to

1744
01:00:25,010 --> 01:00:21,720
the side and looked out and I saw this

1745
01:00:26,510 --> 01:00:25,020
beam of light that was in a cone you

1746
01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:26,520
know like it ConEd out to the bottom of

1747
01:00:30,410 --> 01:00:28,799
the ground to the grass and I looked I

1748
01:00:32,270 --> 01:00:30,420
don't know why I did I don't know why I

1749
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:32,280
started looking at it this way but I

1750
01:00:35,690 --> 01:00:33,839
started looking at it from the from the

1751
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:35,700
grass like there's a beam of light

1752
01:00:41,089 --> 01:00:38,640
that's weird and I followed the beam of

1753
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:41,099
light slowly to its source and and it

1754
01:00:46,549 --> 01:00:43,920
ConEd you know smaller and smaller and I

1755
01:00:48,829 --> 01:00:46,559
saw a disc hovering just above the trees

1756
01:00:49,609 --> 01:00:48,839
and it was like slowly wobbling like

1757
01:00:51,950 --> 01:00:49,619
this

1758
01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:51,960
and I was like I wasn't scared I wasn't

1759
01:00:55,609 --> 01:00:53,160
excited I was just like wow that's

1760
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:55,619
that's a that's a flying saucer that's a

1761
01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:57,599
disc man and I was just like Curious

1762
01:01:02,210 --> 01:01:00,240
like wow that's that's weird and the

1763
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:02,220
light as soon as I noticed that and

1764
01:01:07,069 --> 01:01:04,319
thought that the light slowly moved

1765
01:01:09,710 --> 01:01:07,079
towards me following the grass and I

1766
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:09,720
followed the light at the bottom and

1767
01:01:12,650 --> 01:01:11,040
just watched it slowly moved towards me

1768
01:01:14,210 --> 01:01:12,660
didn't move didn't just just stand in

1769
01:01:17,890 --> 01:01:14,220
there and as soon as the light hit me

1770
01:01:17,900 --> 01:01:24,849
and I woke up and it was hours later

1771
01:01:28,670 --> 01:01:27,049
I was laying down I was laying down in

1772
01:01:30,890 --> 01:01:28,680
the bed now I was laying down in the bed

1773
01:01:33,410 --> 01:01:30,900
I went from standing up to just SEC like

1774
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:33,420
in a millisecond opened my eyes and like

1775
01:01:36,650 --> 01:01:34,559
I blacked out and then opened my eyes

1776
01:01:38,809 --> 01:01:36,660
and it was just like I'm in bed what the

1777
01:01:40,490 --> 01:01:38,819
heck just happened why am I and I look

1778
01:01:41,690 --> 01:01:40,500
at and I look and it's like several

1779
01:01:43,549 --> 01:01:41,700
hours later

1780
01:01:45,950 --> 01:01:43,559
and the second experience I had was as

1781
01:01:48,410 --> 01:01:45,960
an adult I was 24 years old

1782
01:01:50,270 --> 01:01:48,420
and I was staying at my cousin's house

1783
01:01:52,970 --> 01:01:50,280
living at my cousin's house

1784
01:01:55,069 --> 01:01:52,980
and he was a big alien person too he's

1785
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:55,079
like but he was he was on the deep end I

1786
01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:57,119
was you know things that now I look at

1787
01:02:00,289 --> 01:01:58,559
and I'm like maybe there's some maybe

1788
01:02:01,970 --> 01:02:00,299
there's some real you know he would just

1789
01:02:03,349 --> 01:02:01,980
on the deep end of it

1790
01:02:05,150 --> 01:02:03,359
and we were having all these

1791
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:05,160
conversations and he he really liked how

1792
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:06,480
I thought about things he was trying to

1793
01:02:09,289 --> 01:02:07,920
help me help him write a book and all

1794
01:02:10,970 --> 01:02:09,299
this stuff and

1795
01:02:12,410 --> 01:02:10,980
it's not linguistic abilities are

1796
01:02:16,609 --> 01:02:12,420
they're okay

1797
01:02:18,170 --> 01:02:16,619
and um one night I'm laying down on I

1798
01:02:19,549 --> 01:02:18,180
lived I slept in the living room and if

1799
01:02:21,589 --> 01:02:19,559
you were if I don't know how to describe

1800
01:02:24,109 --> 01:02:21,599
this but the living room and the kitchen

1801
01:02:26,270 --> 01:02:24,119
and in there and in the dining room are

1802
01:02:27,770 --> 01:02:26,280
all like there's no door you can see

1803
01:02:30,349 --> 01:02:27,780
straight through them all the way to the

1804
01:02:32,329 --> 01:02:30,359
back door where the sunroom is and

1805
01:02:34,190 --> 01:02:32,339
there's the sunroom has a glass door on

1806
01:02:35,630 --> 01:02:34,200
like a glass door on one side and a

1807
01:02:37,130 --> 01:02:35,640
glass door going outside to the to the

1808
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:37,140
backyard you can see straight through

1809
01:02:42,890 --> 01:02:39,599
and I was laying down and it was 11

1810
01:02:45,170 --> 01:02:42,900
o'clock at night 11 11 30. that's

1811
01:02:48,170 --> 01:02:45,180
remember 11 o'clock and

1812
01:02:49,490 --> 01:02:48,180
I I had this feeling in my the thought

1813
01:02:52,010 --> 01:02:49,500
of my mind was

1814
01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:52,020
oh no they're coming

1815
01:02:57,650 --> 01:02:56,160
and I was terrified like the fear that I

1816
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:57,660
had was beyond it wasn't just like I was

1817
01:03:02,150 --> 01:03:00,240
scared I was terrified there was like

1818
01:03:04,190 --> 01:03:02,160
this overwhelming Terror that I couldn't

1819
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:04,200
move I was just laying there and I'm

1820
01:03:09,349 --> 01:03:06,480
like I thought why are they coming I

1821
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:09,359
wasn't thinking about them no idea why I

1822
01:03:12,349 --> 01:03:10,559
thought that that's the most the most

1823
01:03:13,549 --> 01:03:12,359
bizarre thing is why did I think that

1824
01:03:15,230 --> 01:03:13,559
it's almost like they've come before

1825
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:15,240
more than just the one time and I'm

1826
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:16,559
aware I'm like very aware of it

1827
01:03:20,690 --> 01:03:18,480
somewhere in my mind I'm aware of it so

1828
01:03:23,150 --> 01:03:20,700
I looked up and I'm like oh no they're

1829
01:03:27,230 --> 01:03:23,160
coming they're coming I wasn't thinking

1830
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:30,109
there were these three you know

1831
01:03:35,809 --> 01:03:33,359
big heads you know big black eyes tiny

1832
01:03:37,730 --> 01:03:35,819
little things long skinny arms

1833
01:03:40,730 --> 01:03:37,740
they were they were they went straight

1834
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:40,740
through the freaking back the back sun

1835
01:03:45,049 --> 01:03:42,960
room door they didn't open the door

1836
01:03:47,150 --> 01:03:45,059
they just went straight through it and

1837
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:47,160
they were not walking they were hovering

1838
01:03:52,430 --> 01:03:50,160
they were freaking hovering and I was

1839
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:52,440
just like begging please please like not

1840
01:03:56,750 --> 01:03:54,240
not now like not today please I was

1841
01:03:58,010 --> 01:03:56,760
begging and then they slowly moved

1842
01:04:00,109 --> 01:03:58,020
towards me through the kitchen through

1843
01:04:01,730 --> 01:04:00,119
the dining room and and then they just

1844
01:04:04,370 --> 01:04:01,740
circled me

1845
01:04:05,930 --> 01:04:04,380
and they looked down at me all at one

1846
01:04:08,030 --> 01:04:05,940
time and they were like I'm getting

1847
01:04:10,190 --> 01:04:08,040
freaked out right just just it's it's

1848
01:04:12,349 --> 01:04:10,200
freaky it's like kind of makes me want

1849
01:04:13,970 --> 01:04:12,359
to literally just drop tears and they

1850
01:04:17,089 --> 01:04:13,980
looked at me and and it was like they

1851
01:04:18,770 --> 01:04:17,099
were like right here in my face the big

1852
01:04:21,049 --> 01:04:18,780
freaking black eyes and that big head

1853
01:04:23,809 --> 01:04:21,059
was just right in my face and they said

1854
01:04:27,049 --> 01:04:23,819
don't worry it won't hurt you in my head

1855
01:04:27,849 --> 01:04:27,059
don't worry they won't hurt you blacked

1856
01:04:29,809 --> 01:04:27,859
out

1857
01:04:33,049 --> 01:04:29,819
instantly woke up it was three o'clock

1858
01:04:35,030 --> 01:04:33,059
in the morning wow I was like what do

1859
01:04:37,130 --> 01:04:35,040
you do with it I mean I don't I don't

1860
01:04:38,329 --> 01:04:37,140
know what to do with that so you know

1861
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:38,339
it's

1862
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:40,559
when I think about other people and what

1863
01:04:43,730 --> 01:04:42,240
other people have said I realize I'm not

1864
01:04:47,150 --> 01:04:43,740
the only one who's had that experience

1865
01:04:48,829 --> 01:04:47,160
but I can imagine somebody who is afraid

1866
01:04:50,569 --> 01:04:48,839
to have to talk about it because what do

1867
01:04:52,250 --> 01:04:50,579
you do with it yeah I don't know what

1868
01:04:54,650 --> 01:04:52,260
they I don't know what they did I don't

1869
01:04:56,089 --> 01:04:54,660
know if like what what is that but I was

1870
01:04:58,609 --> 01:04:56,099
not sleeping I know the difference

1871
01:05:00,410 --> 01:04:58,619
between sleeping and dreaming and lucid

1872
01:05:03,049 --> 01:05:00,420
dreams I know the difference I think we

1873
01:05:04,490 --> 01:05:03,059
all do you know I wasn't tired I just I

1874
01:05:05,690 --> 01:05:04,500
know what happened

1875
01:05:07,549 --> 01:05:05,700
so

1876
01:05:10,010 --> 01:05:07,559
that's the thing that people forget when

1877
01:05:11,270 --> 01:05:10,020
they ask somebody or like were you

1878
01:05:13,010 --> 01:05:11,280
sleeping were you dreaming you forget

1879
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:13,020
that you have you know and I don't know

1880
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:15,119
how whole how old you are

1881
01:05:20,510 --> 01:05:18,000
but in my case I'm like 41. I have 41

1882
01:05:22,069 --> 01:05:20,520
years of experience of being human and

1883
01:05:24,049 --> 01:05:22,079
knowing when I'm awake and when I'm

1884
01:05:26,510 --> 01:05:24,059
asleep right 41 years that makes me an

1885
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:26,520
expert right let's do an expert it makes

1886
01:05:30,410 --> 01:05:28,559
all of us experts on being human right

1887
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:30,420
so somebody says you sure it wasn't a

1888
01:05:34,490 --> 01:05:32,880
helicopter like like it's not a

1889
01:05:37,370 --> 01:05:34,500
helicopter like I know what a helicopter

1890
01:05:39,470 --> 01:05:37,380
is and I know what reality is uh in that

1891
01:05:41,329 --> 01:05:39,480
case when you're older did you tell

1892
01:05:43,670 --> 01:05:41,339
anybody the next day or was this

1893
01:05:46,609 --> 01:05:43,680
something you kept secret for I kept it

1894
01:05:49,130 --> 01:05:46,619
to myself until a couple years ago when

1895
01:05:50,450 --> 01:05:49,140
I met my fiance she was like she you

1896
01:05:52,490 --> 01:05:50,460
know we were having the conversation

1897
01:05:54,289 --> 01:05:52,500
about just everything and I talked about

1898
01:05:56,089 --> 01:05:54,299
aliens I believe in aliens you know on

1899
01:05:58,910 --> 01:05:56,099
this and I told her about it and she

1900
01:06:01,309 --> 01:05:58,920
believed me she didn't judge me she just

1901
01:06:03,049 --> 01:06:01,319
asked me are you sure you were you know

1902
01:06:05,329 --> 01:06:03,059
are you sure you were awake do you what

1903
01:06:07,250 --> 01:06:05,339
about Lucy dreaming I said I know what

1904
01:06:09,170 --> 01:06:07,260
lucid dreaming is I know ex I've had

1905
01:06:11,569 --> 01:06:09,180
them where you wake up and you're like

1906
01:06:14,030 --> 01:06:11,579
was that real I know what that is yeah I

1907
01:06:16,190 --> 01:06:14,040
know what that is that was not this I

1908
01:06:18,410 --> 01:06:16,200
was awake I'm awake right now I'm not

1909
01:06:21,410 --> 01:06:18,420
sleeping yeah I was awake

1910
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,420
you know so um yeah it was that's when I

1911
01:06:25,990 --> 01:06:23,520
first said it and then when I had when I

1912
01:06:29,569 --> 01:06:26,000
started the podcast I was like I think

1913
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:29,579
it's okay it's okay now because I'm not

1914
01:06:32,750 --> 01:06:30,960
the only one who's had this experience

1915
01:06:34,190 --> 01:06:32,760
and if I'm gonna do this thing I want to

1916
01:06:37,789 --> 01:06:34,200
be honest with people I want people to

1917
01:06:39,890 --> 01:06:37,799
trust that I am I am them I am I am just

1918
01:06:41,870 --> 01:06:39,900
like them just because I have a podcast

1919
01:06:44,089 --> 01:06:41,880
and I'm creating content and you know

1920
01:06:45,650 --> 01:06:44,099
maybe you think that I'm maybe you think

1921
01:06:47,329 --> 01:06:45,660
that I'm intelligent which I don't I

1922
01:06:49,789 --> 01:06:47,339
don't think if you ask my fiance she

1923
01:06:52,130 --> 01:06:49,799
thinks I'm a little out there but but

1924
01:06:53,329 --> 01:06:52,140
I'm just like everybody else and I have

1925
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:53,339
flaws

1926
01:06:56,870 --> 01:06:55,680
and I've had experiences just like some

1927
01:06:58,190 --> 01:06:56,880
of the other people out there that have

1928
01:06:59,450 --> 01:06:58,200
said they've seen things they've had

1929
01:07:01,549 --> 01:06:59,460
experiences too

1930
01:07:03,049 --> 01:07:01,559
I had to be honest so

1931
01:07:04,849 --> 01:07:03,059
so where is where are you going to take

1932
01:07:05,930 --> 01:07:04,859
the flavor of your show is it going to

1933
01:07:08,029 --> 01:07:05,940
be

1934
01:07:09,950 --> 01:07:08,039
um sort of like dramatized recordings

1935
01:07:13,130 --> 01:07:09,960
with music are you going to do q a

1936
01:07:15,470 --> 01:07:13,140
guests uh are you doing video audio only

1937
01:07:16,849 --> 01:07:15,480
what can uh what can we expect from you

1938
01:07:19,130 --> 01:07:16,859
and maybe that's too much to know right

1939
01:07:21,410 --> 01:07:19,140
now since you're this new but what do

1940
01:07:24,829 --> 01:07:21,420
you think very good question so I'm

1941
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:24,839
going to I I have a full intention of I

1942
01:07:27,890 --> 01:07:25,920
want to make sure that I create the

1943
01:07:29,630 --> 01:07:27,900
dramatization because I want to connect

1944
01:07:32,270 --> 01:07:29,640
with my list I want that to be my unique

1945
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:32,280
flavor and to connect with my listeners

1946
01:07:35,150 --> 01:07:33,839
um but I do think that it's important

1947
01:07:36,349 --> 01:07:35,160
for me to have conversations like this

1948
01:07:38,210 --> 01:07:36,359
too with people within the community

1949
01:07:39,770 --> 01:07:38,220
because I think that while I'm doing

1950
01:07:41,450 --> 01:07:39,780
this thing because I believe in in

1951
01:07:42,890 --> 01:07:41,460
disclosure I want disclosure I want

1952
01:07:45,049 --> 01:07:42,900
people to be aware of it I want to

1953
01:07:46,370 --> 01:07:45,059
inspire people to think about this stuff

1954
01:07:48,410 --> 01:07:46,380
they also want to hear about the

1955
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:48,420
phenomena what do I think just like your

1956
01:07:51,289 --> 01:07:49,680
listeners want to hear what you think

1957
01:07:53,450 --> 01:07:51,299
there are people that listen to a

1958
01:07:55,010 --> 01:07:53,460
podcast just one because they trust the

1959
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:55,020
person that's speaking and then

1960
01:07:58,490 --> 01:07:56,880
everybody else they don't even like I

1961
01:08:00,349 --> 01:07:58,500
want to be someone that people trust

1962
01:08:01,970 --> 01:08:00,359
just you know have that audience that

1963
01:08:04,130 --> 01:08:01,980
trust me

1964
01:08:05,569 --> 01:08:04,140
um but I also have to have to respect

1965
01:08:07,970 --> 01:08:05,579
that and I have to be a part of the

1966
01:08:09,529 --> 01:08:07,980
conversations that are pushing for

1967
01:08:11,390 --> 01:08:09,539
disclosure and they're trying to get

1968
01:08:14,029 --> 01:08:11,400
that information out there in a credible

1969
01:08:14,990 --> 01:08:14,039
way as credible as they possibly can so

1970
01:08:16,669 --> 01:08:15,000
I'm going to do both I'm going to do

1971
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:16,679
interviews I'm going to do I'm going to

1972
01:08:19,729 --> 01:08:18,960
do the dramatization and I am going to

1973
01:08:21,229 --> 01:08:19,739
do

1974
01:08:23,930 --> 01:08:21,239
um something along the lines of like

1975
01:08:26,510 --> 01:08:23,940
giving a a kind of a um a weekly news

1976
01:08:28,249 --> 01:08:26,520
which I'm working on because the hardest

1977
01:08:30,289 --> 01:08:28,259
thing about the new situation is that it

1978
01:08:31,550 --> 01:08:30,299
changes yeah

1979
01:08:34,550 --> 01:08:31,560
and

1980
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:34,560
I don't know how yet to implement a news

1981
01:08:39,470 --> 01:08:36,960
cycle into this because of the

1982
01:08:40,669 --> 01:08:39,480
inconsistencies with the news as it is I

1983
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:40,679
don't want people to not be able to

1984
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:42,000
trust me

1985
01:08:45,650 --> 01:08:43,679
so I haven't really figured out I

1986
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:45,660
haven't figured out how to approach that

1987
01:08:50,030 --> 01:08:47,279
um that kind of writing for for that

1988
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:50,040
segment my podcast but I will I will and

1989
01:08:53,570 --> 01:08:51,600
I'm gonna add that for people

1990
01:08:55,849 --> 01:08:53,580
my face is going to be in it my face you

1991
01:08:57,229 --> 01:08:55,859
you know I will take your advice oh and

1992
01:08:58,610 --> 01:08:57,239
I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna put my

1993
01:09:00,289 --> 01:08:58,620
face in it I'm not gonna just do the

1994
01:09:01,910 --> 01:09:00,299
recordings and the drama stations I'm

1995
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:01,920
gonna put my face on it because people

1996
01:09:06,289 --> 01:09:04,080
do want to see us they when I see you

1997
01:09:07,789 --> 01:09:06,299
guys right and I'm like wow this these

1998
01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:07,799
guys are look at these guys they're

1999
01:09:11,450 --> 01:09:09,120
doing this thing if I didn't see your

2000
01:09:13,070 --> 01:09:11,460
faces it wouldn't be as personal right I

2001
01:09:15,050 --> 01:09:13,080
feel like it would just be so impersonal

2002
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:15,060
I see your faces I get your Expressions

2003
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:16,799
we are like we've been friends before

2004
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:19,440
we've been friends I see I know you like

2005
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:21,839
I I can feel who you are you know right

2006
01:09:24,650 --> 01:09:23,279
that's what I want I want that

2007
01:09:26,570 --> 01:09:24,660
connection with my listeners too so I'm

2008
01:09:28,189 --> 01:09:26,580
gonna I'm gonna be showing my face

2009
01:09:30,769 --> 01:09:28,199
um with those interviews and with those

2010
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:30,779
new decisions awesome and where can

2011
01:09:33,950 --> 01:09:32,640
people find you uh we know your show's

2012
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:33,960
dimensions of reality do you have any

2013
01:09:37,490 --> 01:09:35,520
other media properties that you want to

2014
01:09:40,490 --> 01:09:37,500
attract people to yes dimensions of

2015
01:09:41,930 --> 01:09:40,500
reality is on Tick Tock and Facebook and

2016
01:09:43,550 --> 01:09:41,940
Twitter as well

2017
01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:43,560
um I'm working on the YouTube situation

2018
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:45,600
but it's not my specialty I'm just doing

2019
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:47,040
it because I know that it can funnel

2020
01:09:51,169 --> 01:09:49,199
people to where I want them which is my

2021
01:09:52,010 --> 01:09:51,179
podcast which is my Tick Tock and

2022
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:52,020
Facebook

2023
01:09:55,490 --> 01:09:53,759
which are my main ones and they're all

2024
01:09:57,470 --> 01:09:55,500
the same dimensions of reality on Tick

2025
01:10:03,590 --> 01:09:57,480
Tock dimensions of reality on Facebook

2026
01:10:07,850 --> 01:10:05,390
Marquis Williams and thank you so much

2027
01:10:09,770 --> 01:10:07,860
for coming on the podcast today well

2028
01:10:11,930 --> 01:10:09,780
it's been great to actually get to talk

2029
01:10:14,750 --> 01:10:11,940
with you and I've heard a lot about you

2030
01:10:16,850 --> 01:10:14,760
from Louise been talking you up now for

2031
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:16,860
the last little bit I think we gotta get

2032
01:10:20,810 --> 01:10:18,480
this guy on this guy's awesome my new

2033
01:10:22,729 --> 01:10:20,820
friends yeah yeah I had to help him out

2034
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:22,739
you know we're regular people right and

2035
01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:24,719
this all stem from we went from being

2036
01:10:28,850 --> 01:10:26,640
guys watching and listening to shows to

2037
01:10:31,130 --> 01:10:28,860
having a show and then people contacting

2038
01:10:34,010 --> 01:10:31,140
us trusting us enough to give us their

2039
01:10:35,870 --> 01:10:34,020
personal experiences asking am I crazy

2040
01:10:39,050 --> 01:10:35,880
where can I get information on things

2041
01:10:40,910 --> 01:10:39,060
some people suggest guests or content so

2042
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:40,920
this is our way of giving back we were

2043
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:43,199
just regular people two years ago it

2044
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:45,360
wasn't easy your start note it's not

2045
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:48,239
easy if we can uh if we can dedicate an

2046
01:10:52,610 --> 01:10:50,400
episode to helping you and getting some

2047
01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:52,620
some eyes on you and your content we're

2048
01:10:57,470 --> 01:10:55,280
happy to do that so absolutely

2049
01:10:59,149 --> 01:10:57,480
I appreciate that and there was one

2050
01:11:01,370 --> 01:10:59,159
thing that I wanted to say before we end

2051
01:11:02,510 --> 01:11:01,380
this uh conversation

2052
01:11:04,010 --> 01:11:02,520
um because you know what again my

2053
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:04,020
listeners there's something that I want

2054
01:11:09,709 --> 01:11:06,239
them to know and to think about

2055
01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:09,719
the the the human brain is is been said

2056
01:11:14,510 --> 01:11:12,480
to be a pattern recognition machine when

2057
01:11:16,490 --> 01:11:14,520
we see something that we can recognize

2058
01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:16,500
it becomes a part of our everyday

2059
01:11:22,250 --> 01:11:19,679
reality if we see animals we don't say

2060
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:22,260
well that's not real we say oh that's

2061
01:11:26,330 --> 01:11:24,719
familiar to me I recognize it and you

2062
01:11:27,709 --> 01:11:26,340
accept it as part of your reality the

2063
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:27,719
first time people saw a whale they

2064
01:11:30,890 --> 01:11:29,280
thought it was a monster a sea creature

2065
01:11:33,169 --> 01:11:30,900
but now we know it's just it's just

2066
01:11:35,090 --> 01:11:33,179
ocean life the first time somebody saw

2067
01:11:37,130 --> 01:11:35,100
you know I don't know birds in the sky

2068
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:37,140
and they came back in caveman times he

2069
01:11:40,250 --> 01:11:38,640
didn't think you know that thing's gonna

2070
01:11:41,930 --> 01:11:40,260
eat me or whatever they thought they

2071
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:41,940
just accept it as a reality so on and so

2072
01:11:44,930 --> 01:11:42,719
forth

2073
01:11:46,910 --> 01:11:44,940
today we understand Convention of

2074
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:46,920
conventional technology we know we know

2075
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:50,400
what a plane looks like we know what

2076
01:11:54,290 --> 01:11:52,080
um a boat looks like we know what a car

2077
01:11:56,689 --> 01:11:54,300
looks like and we understand we we have

2078
01:11:59,630 --> 01:11:56,699
the pattern of what those things how

2079
01:12:02,030 --> 01:11:59,640
they function and recognize them these

2080
01:12:03,649 --> 01:12:02,040
objects that the pilots are seeing they

2081
01:12:05,630 --> 01:12:03,659
are not functioning like anything that

2082
01:12:09,229 --> 01:12:05,640
any human on this planet has recognized

2083
01:12:10,610 --> 01:12:09,239
it is not China because if it was then

2084
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:10,620
you would see that technology bleed into

2085
01:12:14,510 --> 01:12:12,480
other areas or aspects of their civil of

2086
01:12:16,130 --> 01:12:14,520
our civilization it's not Russia it's

2087
01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:16,140
not us because we're seeing it's not us

2088
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:18,480
it's something else and if you think

2089
01:12:22,850 --> 01:12:20,159
about it from the perspective of how

2090
01:12:25,669 --> 01:12:22,860
humans recognize things in our reality

2091
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:25,679
these things are unrecognizable we're

2092
01:12:29,930 --> 01:12:27,840
not they're not ours and whatever they

2093
01:12:31,850 --> 01:12:29,940
are they're beyond our comprehension and

2094
01:12:34,189 --> 01:12:31,860
they're beyond a recognition they're

2095
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:34,199
just now becoming part of our reality

2096
01:12:38,209 --> 01:12:36,480
so nicely said

2097
01:12:39,470 --> 01:12:38,219
nice I said

2098
01:12:41,330 --> 01:12:39,480
well thank you for being on the show

2099
01:12:43,790 --> 01:12:41,340
today again brother uh we'll be happy to

2100
01:12:45,470 --> 01:12:43,800
uh have you back on again sometime hey

2101
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:45,480
maybe one day you get us on your show

2102
01:12:49,370 --> 01:12:47,520
and we'll come on you can Grill us and

2103
01:12:51,169 --> 01:12:49,380
shine a flashlight in our eyes right

2104
01:12:53,810 --> 01:12:51,179
that would be awesome I look forward to

2105
01:12:55,850 --> 01:12:53,820
that man perfect thank you so much for

2106
01:12:58,370 --> 01:12:55,860
coming on the podcast today sir thank

2107
01:13:00,110 --> 01:12:58,380
you guys are we alone in the universe

2108
01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:00,120
why are we here

2109
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:02,400
do aliens really exist

2110
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:04,560
is there a Galactic Federation of

2111
01:13:08,750 --> 01:13:06,719
extraterrestrial civilizations

2112
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:08,760
does the government know

2113
01:13:13,729 --> 01:13:11,040
if you're not asking these questions how

2114
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:13,739
can you come to definitive conclusions

2115
01:13:18,189 --> 01:13:16,080
if you're not open to all things

2116
01:13:21,530 --> 01:13:18,199
how can you truly know anything

2117
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:21,540
there may only be one way to God

2118
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:24,480
but there are many ways of understanding

2119
01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:26,480
and the only way to wisdom and knowledge

2120
01:13:31,370 --> 01:13:29,280
is exploration

2121
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:31,380
be inquisitive

2122
01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:35,280
be curious be open-minded

2123
01:13:40,490 --> 01:13:38,000
and start from a place of Truth and Love

2124
01:13:42,110 --> 01:13:40,500
therein lies the truth of your very

2125
01:13:45,050 --> 01:13:42,120
existence